I need some examples...

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Dangus

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A guy at Ars Technica said the following:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Censorship of speech? You have got to be kidding me. Why the HELL would the ban certain types of speech? This is the United States, not China. There is no way justices would ever allow police to search your home without a warrant and a legitimate reason for doing so.[/quote]

All of us here know that justices are indeed capable of what he said. I would like a whole slew of links to articles showing abuses of that nature.

Thanks in advance :)

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
http://www.ashevilletribune.com/nowarrants.htm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> The United States Congress is on the verge of passing a Republican sponsored bill that would eradicate the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution. Article IV of the Bill of Rights states, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." In addition, the bill extends its authority to impede upon the First Amendment Right of "Freedom of Speech."

....

In effect, what the provision does is empower the Federal Government, State Government and local law enforcement agencies, to enter private property – homes, businesses, automobiles, etc. - for any "criminal searches" without a warrant and without any legal obligation to inform the private property owner that a search and seizure was conducted until months later, if at all. If the bill becomes law, then it would grant the Federal Government power to obtain intangible" evidence -- hard-drive data, photographs or copies made of any documents or family or personal belongings, diaries, etc. – without ever having to inform the owner that their property was searched. If physical evidence was taken then the government could wait up to 90 days later, before having to notify the owner that a secret search of their property ever occurred. [/quote]


This is a rather old story (few months). So far as I know, this bill died, but the same thing was also showing up in a bankruptcy reform bill. It's just a matter of time before it happens, IMO.
 
Recently, I believe at least one house of congress passed a bill that would make it illegal to publish information about how to manufacture illegal drugs. On the internet, the ISP would be required to delete the offending page immediately on demand, without informing the creator.

I do not know if this is "law" yet. It was in a bill with the same 4th ammendment violation, I think the 4th one was taken out. Someone can point you to an article about this, I believe it was in a Methampehtamine Bill.

What crap. Even my pro-Second Representative voted for this, as it is supposedly a "compelling government interest" to infringe free speech and press.
 
Thanks, keep it coming :)
I wanna fill the post up with links :)

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
I tried to peacefully protest my county legislators passing gun control laws in my area. I was walking on public property outside the county center carrying a sign that read "Trigger locks are a rapist's best friend" on both sides. I was not shouting, disturbing the peace, etc. I was simply walking and holding a sign.

Within SECONDS, a police officer at the event approached and asked me if I had a permit to protest. I did not have a permit. He said that since I didn't have a permit, I'd be arrested if I didn't stop.

So, I stopped.

The next day I went to the Department of Public Safety to investigate the rules on how to get a permit. There's a lot of run-around to get one (finding the person that manages the public land where the protest will be held, getting ahold of that person, roughly a two week delay, paperwork, etc.), but permits are free of charge.

Here in People's Republic of Westchester County New York you still have a right to free speech. You just need to get a permit to exercise that right.
 
Tortuga, you must understand that our FF were speaking of 'free' in the contest of unencumbered, rather than of 'free of charge', so , in reality , you no longer have a Right of free speech, for any right which requires a license is a privilige not a right at all!

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What part of "INFRINGED" don't they understand?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tortuga:
I tried to peacefully protest my county legislators passing gun control laws in my area. I was walking on public property outside the county center carrying a sign that read "Trigger locks are a rapist's best friend" on both sides. I was not shouting, disturbing the peace, etc. I was simply walking and holding a sign.

Within SECONDS, a police officer at the event approached and asked me if I had a permit to protest. I did not have a permit. He said that since I didn't have a permit, I'd be arrested if I didn't stop.

So, I stopped.

The next day I went to the Department of Public Safety to investigate the rules on how to get a permit. There's a lot of run-around to get one (finding the person that manages the public land where the protest will be held, getting ahold of that person, roughly a two week delay, paperwork, etc.), but permits are free of charge.

Here in People's Republic of Westchester County New York you still have a right to free speech. You just need to get a permit to exercise that right.[/quote]


I would have let them arrest me, then sue the **** outta them!

Damn even censored on here the "****" should have read you know ;)
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Dead [Black Ops]

[This message has been edited by Dead (edited August 28, 2000).]
 
Well, if you want to stir up a hornet's nest, mention the Elian Gonzales case. A federal judge had prohibited any action by the feds until the family dispute was settled. So Reno et al shopped judges until they found one who would issue an _arrest_ warrant for Elian or one of his family. If one of the annointed wants anybody's a**, they can find a judge to issue a warrant and then they can do what they please. Remember,too, the events that sparked the "Jack Booted Thugs" comments by the NRA about the ATF. An elderly couple thrown about in their own home, cat stomped to death. Another couple machine-gunned to death in their bed. Another guy shot during a
nighttime raid. All on the info of paid informants, which was wrong. But some judge signed the warrant.

Dick
Want to send a message to Bush? Sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/monk/petition.html and forward the link to every gun owner you know.
 
Tortuga,

You have URGENT e-mail in your ar-15@mindspring.com account!!!

EDIT -- Tortuga, forget it. Judge Holden retired in 1997.

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.

[This message has been edited by Mike Irwin (edited August 28, 2000).]
 
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