I live in Europe, Sweden, why can't I buy pistol magazines from online stores?

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I've tried 5 different online vendors, only to have all of my orders denied/cancelled.

Tried contacting the companies but I never recieve a concrete reply why my order was denied.

All the orders i placed had one thing in common, they all containted glock original 15 round magazines.

Are magazine considered a licensed gun part in USA?

In my country, Sweden, only the slide, pipe and I belive the trigger house is considered a gun part that requires a license.

I've looked on ebay, but my search results gives me everything just not the search I wanted in the first place.

I'm looking for glock original 15 round magazines for a glock 19, anyone know a site, dealer that can ship worldwide?

Yes we have vendors that sells glock magazines over here as well but we have to pay a pretty large sum compared to USA.

Thank You
 
They are not a regulated part in the US though some states have certain restrictions.

As for why they won't ship to you, some people and businesses just don't ship overseas because of the hassle with customs forms, payment reliability, etc.

How much is magazine from the States going to cost you after you've paid overseas shipping, import duty, and VAT?
 
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Well all of the vendors I tried did state they had no problems shipping international, just my order with the magazines weren't gonna happen overseas.

We have no custom laws regardings recieving magazines from USA. Sure they can slap a hefty VAT on my package if they decide to verify the content.

I'm just suprised I keep getting rejected orders all because of a few magazines being in the order.

Here's an example, we pay roughly around 65$ for 1 retail glock 15 round magazine.

The cheapest glock original magazines i've found so far goes for 20$ each.

Let's say I get VAT on my content, that's rougly around 25% depending on certain formulas they apply here.

But a rough estimate would mean instead of paying 20$ per magazine i'd have to pay 30$ instead.

Shipping fee isn't that mutch since I always buy more then just a few magazines, glock spare parts are also cheaper in USA. Not that you need spare parts for a glock but yeah :D

I'll take 30 over 60 anyday..

Someone suggeste gunbroker, but that seems too much hassle for me just for a few magazines.

I only need 3 more magazines hahahah :D
 
I have a similar situation with goods being sent to Estonia!!

I tried to order a holster from Amazon in the USA: no joy!

I tried to order a copy of the Lyman's reloading manual from Amazon in the USA: no joy!

Ironically, I eventually had to order the book from a company in England, to an address in England!!

Basically, despite the cheaper costs of the goods off the shelf, I agree with Herr Walther when raising the points about
overseas shipping, import duty, and VAT
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Once all those are taken into account, I suspect the savings would be negligible: "bite the bullet" and buy locally
 
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True but still even with my order covering a lot of items i'd still save money (VAT included).

In my opinion ebay is the best way to secure items with less chance of getting VAT.

I've bought stuff on ebay for 15 years, only 2 times did I have customs issues.

But again for some reason I can't find glock magazines on ebay, getting weird search results.

I can't afford 3 retail glock magazines for the prices we pay here, poor student :p

That's weird, i've bought holsters and reloading manuals from USA (various vendors) without any issues.

Think I bought a safariland 1004 something from amazon, no problems.

I don't know your prices in Estonia, but if you're somewhat close to my own country price for holsters, I understand why you would want to import.
 
Not wanting to give unsound advice

Prices here are steep.

It's mainly down to the market being small and the overheads high.

However, there is a friendly Glock stockist in the capital, Tallinn, that sells Glock 19 mags for about €€25-30. The 33 round mags were at about €55.

Perhaps they ship abroad, or if ever you decide to enjoy a weekend in Tallinn, taking the Tallink ferry, you can swing by their shop!!

DISCLAIMER: I have no idea if this is allowed: you'd have to check!!
 
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Do a search on 'ITAR' (International Trade in Arms regulations).

It can be a nightmare to export even parts for small arms that are on the US Munitions List.
 
This URL expresses the frustration of small business owners with the ITAR.


http://www.progunleaders.org/DDTC/

You must understand that our amoral, ignorant gun hating State Department is in charge of the ITAR regulations.

They are more concerned about the effects of scandal on their career than anything else and the easiest thing to do is to ban the export of everything.

Rule #2 of the Government is "minimize scandal"

And Rule #3 is "the path of least resistance"

Small business owners are not familiar with ITAR regulations, and I must say, the meanings of what is allowed by regulation varies from Government Gnome to Government Gnome, but you, the businessman, will be hammered if the next Gnome decides that the advice you got from his Organization is bad, and you followed it!.

Given the risk, and it is a real financial risk of penalties, see the $100 million fine on ITT, who wants to lose their business because they sold a magazine to a foreigner?

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/ar...ed-high-profile-defense-export-penalties.html

http://proliferationpress.com/2007/...llegally-selling-weapons-technology-to-china/
 
Navigating ITAR can be a nightmare.

For most it's just easier to say that they won't ship firearm parts internationally then try and figure out what is allowed.

I don't believe the export of magazines is prohibited but I would have to check the CFR to verify.
 
Permit Me

I believe that you might need some type of export permit, perhaps from Homeland Security, the State Department or Department of Commerce in order to have these items shipped to your country. Good luck. :)
 
It sounds like the Estonian solution is the way to go. Both countries are in the European Union, and the Manufacturer, Glock, is also in the EU. It should be as difficult (it is not) as purchasing a magizine in one state here in the US, for use in another state.

I know last time we were in Sweden we showed our passports when we landed (flew in from the US) Visited 5 EU states, and never showed our passports again in the 2 months we were in Europe. Way different than when we were there in the 70's where you had to show your passport at every border crossing.
 
Ebay just showed me 806 listings for "Glock Magazine". Amazon showed a lesser number. Ebay also has numerous offshore website operations that sell various items you can't buy in the US or can't be shipped from the US. (such as ebay.co.uk, ebay.fr, etc)

You may find vendors there that are able to ship international based upon their policies and inventory location: I worked for a very large well known US HQ'd international corporation in the 90's. Had we shipped everything from the US, the paperwork (and rejections in some cases) would have been staggering. US jobs were lost due to these policies by the US government, as foreign subsidiaries designed, manufactured, inventoried, sold and serviced identical parts and products. Some countries were notorious for deliberating circumventing US ITAR regulations, which provided them additional income and jobs.

As such, you may be successful if you drop magazine manufacturers an email and ask if they have some overseas facilities.
 
I don't believe the export of magazines is prohibited but I would have to check the CFR to verify.
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I deal with ITAR for the technical information my company produces.

It takes hours of poring over both ITAR and the Munitions list (make sure you gt the most recent one!) to tell what we can (and cannot) even discuss with non-US persons.

I produce a lot of documents that are required to carry the ITAR warning, and a foreign entity cannot even LOOK at their content.
 
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