I have what might be a strange idea.....

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Josh_Putman

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I have a Remington 700 BDL in 30.06 that I have been tinkering with. It had a Tasco scope on see through mounts that I have removed. I have never really been any good with a scope, I don't know why. I just don't much care for them.

I have always preferred a rear aperture like on an M-16. My idea recently has been to purchase a new rear sight from Williams that I believe mounts at the rear scope mount location. For only $39, I thought this would be great.

The last few days, however, I have been thinking of something a little different. I remember seeing the Creedmore style sights on some old lever action rifles in different Westerns. That got me to thinking.

Have any of you ever seen a Creedmore style sight mounted on a modern bolt action rifle?

I warned you this was a strange idea.....:D:D
 
If you're referring to high quality aperture/peep sights, it's a fairly common modification among high power and Palma shooters. Check out Creedmore Sports, or Champion Shooters Supply for a few examples. Be forewarned, though, a good set of sights can often cost more than a decent scope.

If you're talking about the tang mounted sights that are relatively common on older lever guns, I'm not so sure it would work. I don't know if there would be enough room to work the bolt. I'm not aware of any commercially available examples, anyway.

Another issue with a tang mounted sight on a heavy recoiling rifle is the potential for putting your eye out upon firing. I've never heard of it happening, but the possibility scares me enough to avoid that type of sight.
 
I was thinking a tang mounted sight might impede the bolt function.

Also, I have done a little bit of looking online, and you are right, prices for good sights are up there above $250.

I may end up going with the Williams sight, and probably be happy with it. I may just end up looking for a different gun altogether to pair with a Creedmore. Something it actually belongs on. :D
 
I put a Williams "fool-proof" peep sight on a 98 Mauser in 30-06 and have enjoyed shooting that gun.
 
Williams works for me. I use scopes because my eyes got old and I need to but for woods walking in my part of the country I like carrying a clean gun and aperture sights get me on target fast.
 
The Creedmor or Tang Sights you are talking about are for heavy slow bullets with a rainbow trajectory. The range is somewhere around 3 inches.

Plus good ones are expensive, I have one on my M-1895 Browning 45-70 that cost about $600.

It wouldn't work on a modern smokeless round like the 308.

I'd check brownells for a Lyman sight, more expensive then the Williams but they are made of steel and you can get "target" knobs for easier sight adjustments. Much more positive clicks.
 
Josh,
Williams makes a reciever sight for the model 700 Remington, even works with the existing front sight. The bolt wouldn't hit it like a tang sight. It is thier FP series. I have one on a model 94 winchester 30-30 and it works quite well. Check out thier site.
Gary
 
+1 on the Williams receiver sight. It'll work fine & look fine on your 700. I'd suggest a small aperture insert for targets that can be removed for hunting.

JIMHO...

...bug
 
I agree with folks who like Williams FP aperture sights. They work well, but their adjustment, however, can be rather crude and hard to repeat. A target grade peep, such as the old Redfield or Lyman, would be more satisactory for a gun you will shoot a lot and use with different loads, albeit quite a bit more expensive. There are various ways to attach a peep to a bolt. Try to get it as close to your eye as possible without interfering with bolt movement.
 
I'm going to give you my advise. Go back to a scope but spend the money and get a decent scope and mount. No garbage Tasco and no see-thru mounts. If you invest in a decent scope and mount, those earlier dislikes of yours will quickly go away.

Having just a peep sight on a 30-06 is kind of like putting a burka on Cindy Crawford. Yes, it will work but what a waste of potential.
 
+1 for Doyle

+1 because he beat me to giving the same advice. A good scope and mounts that will allow you to get a good cheek weld make a whole lot of difference.:)
 
I sure appreciate all of the advice. I went to the range the other day with the scope removed, and realized that my eyes don't see the iron sights quite as well as they used to.

I'm going to stick it out with scopes, I guess. I am, however, going to go up in quality.

Thanks again, everyone. :)
 
The older BRNO ZKK-602 had a pop up peep sight in the receiver. Take the QD scope off and push a button.

I saw a MS with a tang sight. Also pop up. Beautiful inlay work.

Nothing wrong with peep sights. At Schutzen matches some folks opt for iron sights in the scope matches. And they are used at Camp Perry as already mentioned.
 
Once upon a time, Remington used to drill and tap their Model 700 for a peep sight; I don't know if they still do. Obviously, mounting the sight involves cutting away some of the wood.

Jim
 
I was also going to suggest changing mounts. A better grade scope would help also, but, the scope, when properly mounted, is at the comfortable height that your eye naturally is when you mount the gun. It may take experimenting with different height rings to get it just right. When right however, the image should appear like magic where you were looking before you mounted the gun to shoot, and hitting moving targets isn't by any means impossible with a lower power scope, like one set on 2 or 3x. You shouldnt have to hunt around to find the image, it should be naturally where you look. Same with eye relief (distance from your eye).

The see thru rings are generally way too high to see the scope image correctly without hunting around for it, and having a poor cheek mount on the stock.
 
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