I have an idea again: Would it be possible to make a FAL bullpup?

Correia

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I was examining a FAL parts kit when I had this wicked idea. ;) You would need to manufacture some new parts, but I don't think it would be that hard for a decent manufacturing operation.

You would need to swap out the buffer spring and rod (it extends into the stock) for the style used in the folding stocked versions. Ditch the lower receiver (thats legal, because it isn't the gun unlike the AR). Remove the dustcover. Remove the swivel pin. Remove the handguards. Remove the carry handle. All you have is a barreled receiver, with the operating internals.

Now imagine a 2 piece bullpup assembly. The first is a tube that extends over the barrel with a sight rail, conected to a trigger group, and pistol grip. It slides over the barrel, locking into place on top of the receiver. The top of this assembly replaces the dustcover. It has an attachment hole where the usual swivel pin goes.

The 2nd piece is the buttstock, it attaches onto the back of the gun, and goes over the first piece at the point with the swivel pin (sorry if I don't know the correct term. The buttstock would have the hammer assembly in it. Insert a new (have to be longer swivel pin). The buttstock would have the standard style FAL takedown lever on it, push that, the butt folds down, and out comes the bolt.

You would need to design a new trigger, hammer, safety, and sear assembly. But that shouldn't be to hard. It would have to have a long trigger bar like on all bullpups, but it would also need to detach and reatach from the hammer assembly automatically whenever the butt stock was opened for disassembly or cleaning. The butt would lock into the the receiver the same way that the lower receiver locks in right now.

I would want to have a ceramic plate of somekind installed in the upper assembly that would go over the action to protect the shooters face incase of catestrophic failure. (like on the new SAR 21).

I figure that this would be pretty simple, and cheap because of the availible parts. Plus there wouldn't be a need for a whole lot of R&D investment to get the actual operating system to work. It would be the most compact .308 battle rifle ever. Short little beast.

The cocking handle would now be in a sucky place, but you could probably make a longer one that was easier to reach. Have a cut in the side of the upper housing so it would fit right in. And the gun would get kind of thick in the middle where all 3 parts come together. But that part is going to be in your armpit anyway so who cares. It wouldn't have to be any heavier than a regular FAL, of course if you used good polymers or plastics for the assemblys.

Ok, so not counting the usual negatives of bullpups, (sorry lefties, muzzle blast closer to face) am I missing something here, or is this a good idea.

And the final question: Why?

Hell, I don't know, but I would want one. :)
 
Futo, build it? I'm about clueless when it comes to gunsmithing. :)

I would like to get a hold of a copy of that book, I wonder if I could get it through the library.
 
Using paratrooper parts as suggested above, it can be done. The only tricky part is to make the trigger connection and it can be quite mushy. The stock itself can be carved out of wood or if one knows how, made of fiberglass (there's a two part article in American Gunsmithing mag on molding fiberglass stocks). About the only other thing to work on is setting up an aiming system.
 
I wonder if you could use some sort of rings to clamp a flat-top rail to the barrrel a few inches forward of the receiver. It would have to clear the gas tube.
 
FWIW, I don't think there is anything that could really protect the shooter in event of a receiver failure; a shield might just be blown through his head. Concern about having the head next to what amounts to a controlled bomb is the main reason bullpups have not been successful in the sporting field, though they have been around for at least 70 years.

Jim
 
As for safety during a kB!, what about adding a small vent-hole in the right-hand side of the chamber? I have seen commercial FN mausers with a hole ostensibly for this purpose.

-z
 
Armor plate in the receiver wall.

No, I didn't think of it, but the problem has been addressed. Singapore has a bullpup rifle called the SAR-21 which incorporates a composite armor plate in the sidewall or the receiver next to the shooters face. (see "Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement's January 2001 issue)
 
It would take a lot more than the powder from one .308 round to blow a full side of a stock THROUGH someone's head. It still might break your jaw though. You gotta make sure that if you add a composite stock gaurd, you also add a stock strong enough to actually hold it in place during an explosion. A whole stock could actually be made out of Allied Spectra, just like they make helmets out of it. The heat resistance on Spectra isn't very good though, Kevlar would be a better, but heavier choice.
 
How did I miss this thread?

I love the idea.

I would be forced to sell my Supra just to buy one instantly. I bet DSA could have one set up the base components for you in a Jiffy.
The custom parts like stock and trigger systems... Mc Bros. The McMillan family did Bullpups for the M-14 so they got the talent and the tools. Have them build some systems and make the kits.
So your two vendors, McBros and DSA send you the parts and you assemble them and market them.
If you have any issues... Alex Robinson can give you the advice and guidance and he is pretty close to you.

A bullpup FAL... GLORY!!!
 
maybe the Kvar 94 has some useful ideas:
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http://www.k-varcorp.com/
 
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