I gave .25acp another shot and it still s****!

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Tropical Z

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After 10 lonely years of not being fired,last night i took my Tanfoglio GT-27 to the range and put some CCI blazer through it.The GT's next stop will be the consignment rack at a local shop.Although the gun did fine,i can't find a single redeeming quality for the .25acp! I'd much rather shoot .22lr or anything else for that matter.If you love your .25acp thats great,but i'll never waste another penny on such a worthless round.:barf:
 
What did it fail to do that a .22 or a .32 would have done? How do you conclude the round to be worthless? Did it fail to punch holes in paper?
 
.25acp :barf:

I don't know if there is a more worthless round.

(But Snowdog, it's more reliable than a .22LR and.... bla... yadda... Yeah yeah, it's my opinion and I'm sticking with it!)
 
While it wouldn't be my first choice in a gunfight, I think that a .25 has more power than a .22, is more reliable because it is centerfire instead of rimfire, and feeds and extracts better due to it's shape. Yes, it is more expensive. The reason I have a .25 is because it was the smallest and lightest repeating gun (non-derringer or NAA mini-revolver type) I could find (they didn't make the P32 then), and I'd rather carry a .25 than nothing.
 
Friends call my Beretta 950 my "false sense of security." :p
But you know, it goes w/ me almost everywhere. Initially, I held it too high in the grip causing a small bite everytime it went off. Now, after 100 rounds, it's great and I'm confident I can shoot it adequately enough to be effective. :)
 
Well...

It's either my Jetfire or NAA Mini revolver in my front pocket backing up the "real" (?) pistol on my hip lately. I LIKE the idea of "a little something extra" as a nasty little surprise for the BG. Sell it if you want to. I'm keeping my Jetfire. Just bought it some "Silverwood" grips, too. A little gift. :)

KR
 
My dad used to tell me storys about my grandfather on their farm. He used to go out and grab a goat and bring it to the butcher shed to be killed, out came the .25 and BANG! to the head but the goat still stands... BANG! hmm the goat still stands "hey son, Grab the .22lr of the shelf." BANG! dead goat.
moral of the story-
I would rather have a 22 then a 25.
 
From what I've read the .22lr is more powerful than the .25 acp. Around here the cheapest box of .25 acp is still relatively expensive (around $10) in comparison to the much more effective 9mm let alone the .22 (though so are the .32 and .380 too). The one advantage of the .25 acp over the .22 in a small backup pistol (at least in autos) seems to be that it is more reliable.

These are the biggest reasons I haven't bought such a gun. I probably will buy the small Beretta for fun (it is cheap), though I'll likely get it in .22lr. A buddy had the Jetfire in .25 acp and it was a ton of fun and surprisingly accurate. However, one of the similar guns by Beretta in .22 would probably be just as fun and cheaper to shoot. Then again these are cheap enough that I may as well get both :D. It will be a while though because there are many guns on the list ahead of these.

I guess the small .25s have their purpose as a backup gun. Sometimes it may be difficult to conceal one gun let alone two (i.e. summer in hot climates) and having one of these in backup for another small gun (such as a Taurus 85 or Kahr MK40) could make the difference between life and death. In this case I do see the use of a .25 over the .22 as it is much more reliable and they are both anemic so you may need multiple hits to incapacitate your attacker (I'd hate to use a .22 and have it jam in this situation). Though with other calibers being put in smaller guns almost daily I'm not sure there aren't already other options for even this limited use (the MK series Kahrs, or the NAA Guardians come to mind).
 
Well, going by a recent episode of "Law and Order: Criminal Intent".
:rolleyes: I think for a small caliber handgun the "25mm" would be dang effective.:barf:
 
Did anybody catch "60 Minutes II" last night? There was a segment on airport security, focusing on Ben Gurion Airport in Israel. During the segment, they had an interview with a gent (his first name was Shlomo, as I recall) who was an air marshal back in the 70's. This amazing fellow became a folk hero when he leaped out of an airliner onto the tarmac to engage four terrorists armed with assault rifles. He specifically mentioned that his piece was a .22 Beretta. Amazingly, he prevailed.

Now I don't know all the circumstances of that engagement--and I'm sure if Shlomo had his druthers, he'd have been carrying a portable chain-gun--but he made do with what he had. I can't think of too many better examples for the dictum that "what counts most is the man, not the gun."
 
I don't like .25acp because its more expensive than 9mm,much more expensive than .22lr and not as versatile as either.The .25acp is a slow-weak pathetic round that belongs in the dustbin of history! Remingtons charts say enough-.25acp at the muzzle has 64 FPE and their .22lr golden bullet at 100 yards has 82 FPE! Thats all i need to say.:p
 
His pistol was not just a .22, but a Beretta Minx; identical to a Jetfire, but in .22 Short. He clanks when he walks...

Tropical Z: Those ballistic charts are a little misleading, as they're comparing .25 out of a 2" or 3" barrel versus .22LR out of an 18" tube. Good modern .25, such as Speer Gold Dots, has an edge, albeit slight, over .22LR in similar length tubes.
 
I can't believe I am actually going to somewhat defend a .25 ACP, but Tamara is correct. Most .22LR data is from a RIFLE not a short barreled tiny auto like a 25. I can't blame you for not wanting to own the thing, but the fact that it actually works with that crappy Blazer ammo is amazing! I have a "Baby" Browning that I inherited. I very rarely carry it as a backup or third gun. It chokes on Blazer but works fine with decent ammo. I agree the .25 is feeble and expensive. It is however, slightly better than nothing. Best. Watch-Six
 
Tamara: Thanks for the additional info on the man's Beretta. I can't agree with you more on your assessment of that guy!

This has given me a whole new appreciation for the Jetfire sitting in my cabinet--if I were to combine it with a TON of training and a massive infusion of guts, of course... :)
 
The following information comes from "Cartridges of the World" 9th ed.

The muzzle energy of various .22lr cartridges that they tested OUT OF A PISTOL ranged from 78 fpe for target ammo to 136 for CCI Stingers. Most were in the 90s and one CCI load (I would assume the MiniMag) was 110. The chart is on Pg 430.

The .25 ACP rounds they tested ranged from 64-73 fpe (handloads as well as factory). This is on Pg 266. The CCI Stingers, out of a pistol, even beat all the .32 ACP loads they tested which ranged from 100-129 fpe (again both handloads and factory ammo). The .32 info is on Pg 268.

Again, it seems to me that the only advantage a .25ACP pistol offers over a .22lr is more reliable feeding than a rimfire. This wouldn't be as big an issue with a revolver, though I'd rather go with a 5 shot .38 snubbie than an 8 shot .22 revolver of roughly the same size. Actually, I can think of one more advantage- the .25 ACP may have more effective bullet designs (i.e. better hollowpoints) for defense as there is ammo specifically designed for self defense made in .25 ACP and most .22lr ammo is designed for target shooting or hunting (though hollowpoints in .22 made for hunting would probably be decent for self defense).
 
While it wouldn't be my first choice in a gunfight, I think that a .25 has more power than a .22
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Usually, most .22LR loadings have more power than the .25's. Notice I stated *"USUALLY"*---> That's the key word. :D
 
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