I Didn't NEED Another Birdgun, But......

Dave McC

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When did need actually figure in anyway?

I had gone to Gunz R Us to pick up some 45 ACP ammo, but out of long habit I looked at the used shotgun rack. Besides a 16 gauge Sterlingworth in great shape and the usual mix of old singles and near new repeaters, there was a 20 gauge SKB O/U there at a decent price.

A bit of history......

Around 1970, Pop had the old O/U he had used for decades stolen from his camper at a field trial. That thing had more time in B 24s than some pilots.

Some friends got together and bought him a replacement, a 20 gauge SKB. He used it behind his dogs and loved it. I borrowed it a couple times and liked it for upland game,especially the mixed bag stuff we had here in Howard County then and nearby.

The old thread here, "Pop's Last Dove Shoot" has that SKB in it.

Pop sold it during the 80s when I had little extra cash around, and I missed the chance.

Anyways, this one showed little wear, store pointed like it was made for me, and just seemed to have my name on it.

I spoke to the owner, who put the SKB in back while I went home and began the series of delicate negotiations needed with The Permanent Head Of The Budget Committee, AKA Wonderful Wife. Things went well, and I brought it home.

The first range trip showed there were issues. The trigger did not reset. What made it more frustrating was the fact that when it did go off, the targets exploded quite regularly.

This is the up side of dealing with a local gun shop vs a box store or an online vendor. When I walked in, the owner told me they would fix it or give me a complete refund. That's on a 30 year old shotgun of uncertain provenance.

Less than 48 hours later, the smith called me to say he had replaced a spring, cleaned up a burr on the sear and test fired it 10 times per barrel. I picked it up on the way to work and chafed a bit until time and weather permitted a range test.

That happened yesterday. The rain plaguing us let up long enough to get to PGC, and they have a new attraction.

Range 4 has had a 5 stand setup on it. They've added a wobble trap which can be used as part of the 5 stand or alone. There's 5 firing points at 4 elevations, the trap has more zip than most, and it's become very popular.

Few, if any, straights have been recorded.

So, I joined the throng waiting their turns and when it came.....

The thing weighs 6 lbs, 11 oz and I'm used to an 8 lbs plus clays O/U. The stock is a skosh short for me and has a plate, not a pad.

Still, the first round was 21/25, the other two 22/25. A lot of targets went away emphatically,with a little smoke. Chokes, BTW seem to be Mod/Full, tight for this game but usable.

As a control, I switched to the Beretta 12 and scored about the same.

As I drove home, I mused about getting a MEC 600 in 20 gauge and working up a 3/4 oz load, but not before the dove opener.

I can see why Pop liked his, and maybe this one is a payback for missing his.

A nice little birdgun.....
 
Awesome story there Dave........I can tell you that a 3/4 oz 20 load is a joy to shoot, no matter the gun, and the targets still get smashed...........
 
Thanks, 1 oz. It does look like a keeper.

Re 3/4 oz loads, a little research on the Hodgdon site shows International Clays as a good powder. Any experience?

Some tweaking of the SKB is inevitable. The short LOP will be remedied by a Decellerator sporting pad or similar. The vintage F/O front bead looks to be about the size of a cigarette butt,so a switch to a small H-Viz is expected.
 
I use Universal took my standard 7/8 oz 1180-1200 fps load and just dropped less shot. If your crimps are a little dished and no adjustment can be made, drop a cheerio on the top - works great

My load is, IIRC, 15.5 with the Clay Buster clone of the AA in Gun Club hulls with NobelSport primers (straight-across sub for Win 209)
 
Nice find Dave .../ always good to get a little piece of nostalgia back ...

I use International in my 20ga ( its cleaner than Universal - because Universal seems to leave a lot of unburnt powder in the 15.5gr load recommendation for the 20ga ) and I've tried Intl in 3/4 oz (13.2 gr ) and 7/8 oz ( 14 gr) with very good results / Win 209 primers / Orange duster equivalent wad for the WAA20 and I load them to 1200 fps. The virgin plastic in the Orange Duster wads - make them superior to most of the other knock-offs in my opinion / and they load very well( in fact better than the WIN brand in my opinion). I use Rem STS hulls ...

The pressure is a little higher using International. There were some reports a few years ago / where Briley was seeing some cracked "tubes" on 20ga tubes in a 12ga barrel / because the 20ga tubes were so thin / and they recommended not using International or powders with higher pressures in "tubed" guns. But all my guns are stand alone models / and its never been an issue of course. I like International in my 20ga loads.

I do use Universal in my 28ga reloads.../and a buddy used some Universal in some .45 acp reloads recently with good results. Universal is a popular choice too / just dirtier than I prefer ...
 
I'm not as good as OneOunce ... I tend to keep all my reloads in 20ga at 7/8 oz ...;)

He keeps telling me about this cheerio thing .../ but in the wet northwest up here ...I'm more of an Oatmeal kind of guy ( especially in cookies ) ...
 
Surprised you're having dirt issues with Universal. I switched to it from Unique when I ran out once and have never looked back. I hear good things about 20/28 powder as well, might be worth a look for that 20.
 
Dave, thanks for the follow up on the SKB. Sorry you had a little initial trouble with it -- a quick fix is just another reason to trade at your LGS. Happy to hear it's a definite keeper, Pop would be happy.

Sorry, 1-oz, if I wanna shot 3/4-oz then I'll go to my 28s. It has to do with the NSSA's rules. You can shoot a 20-ga gun in a 12-ga event. But, you can't shoot a 12-ga in a 20-ga event, even if you download the 12-ga to a standard 7/8-oz 20-ga load. The same goes for the 28-ga. Since you are required to shoot a 28-ga (or smaller) gun, why practice with a downloaded big gun? I'm old school and use Green Dot in my 12, 20 and 28-ga reloads. I've shot NSSA 100-straights with Green Dot in all three guns -- if it works, don't fix it.

Big Jim is correct about 20-ga tubes being thin. Years ago, one of my Briley 20-ga tubes split under the extractor where it's at its thinest. I'm pleased to report, they were lightning fast in sending me a replacement.
 
Zippy - if you're talking about shooting competition, then use all the rules allow. But for casual practice, or small birds like planted/preserve quail, and also for folks who might not have a 28, the 3/4 oz is light on the shoulder, economical to load, and still works just fine
 
No Cheerios here since Son moved out last December. I'll figure something out.

Projected 3/4 oz load.....


AA hull.

WA20 wad or CB clone.

Win 209.

3/4 oz of West Coast 8 1/2 hard shot.

13 gr International Clays.The book says this will do 1200 FPS and 10K PSI.

This should be a fine clay killer within 35 yards, and subbing 7 1/2s for winter use and dove makes it versatile.

I have some choices, but if I get in a dove shoot, the SKB is likely to be there.

And I can picture Pop peering down from Heaven (Or Valhalla,he earned that) and grinning like a possum.......

No 28s, Zippy. Ammo logistics here are complicated enough.
 
Great find. Some years ago I hunted preserve pheasants with a borrowed SKB 20 gauge and was impressed. I've always kept my eyes open for one but with no success.

As I recall the triggers were mechanical not inertia which I prefer in a field o/u. I also like the SKB's barrel selector being located in the trigger which is better IMO than the H-style system of the Browning.

Enjoy the gun Dave and congrats.
 
Thanks, Paul. It is a keeper for sure. Some tweaks are impending.

Pad and bead, maybe a refinish of the wood. But right now I'm just going to shoot it and enjoy.....
 
I don't load anything in my 12 gauge above 7/8. I don't think I need it, I also use the Claybusters AA clones. As for powder I've used Clays, Clays Universal and Winchester AA all with good results. I don't have a press for 20 gauge, yet.

Good Luck with your new (to you) shotgun sounds great!
 
Thanks. I've close to 25K rounds through my MEC 600, mostly 7/8 oz 12 gauge loads. Looking forward to building a good 3/4 oz load for this SKB.
 
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