I am glad we went to war in Iraq

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Danindetroit

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I don't care if all that was there was a bunch of straws and some guys chewing paper to make spit wads. I don't like Saddam. I wish they had shot him, and I wish they had went in with more armor or more LAV's with big guns. Stop using these beach assault vehicles and Bradley vehicles like heavy armor. The bradly has a 25mm gun the other vehicle has a .50bmg and 40 mm full auto grenade launcher. I can create more jobs, make more tanks.
 
I can't say I'm glad, but I am relieved that the war is there and not here. Still, the government is cycling my kids thru that overgrown cat box, and that makes me more worried than if I were going myself. I now know what my parents felt about my brothers and me.
 
Mostly guys that try to assinate ex-us presidents and don't get any kind of punishment. People who say that palaces should be exempt from weapons inspectors, builds them for millions of dollars while the people in his country starve and then put these children on TV, telling the world that the US is killing Iraqi children, while they try to get by the regulations of a peace treaty they signed so that their entire army would not be wiped out. A person who does this while he is getting rid of his chemical weapons stores by using them on his own people. People who were attempting to get there WMD program started again. There was another guy who was doing this and they had conference in 1938 called the Yalta conference. He promised to be a good little boy and it was learned if we had made an attack on him in 1938 istead of more diplomacy we could have defeated him in 6 months, but we met with him and ambassadors and he had to start his war in 1939 instead of 1944. What was his name again, oh yes Hitler. If he had not been pushed into starting his war 5 years early think of what it would have been like having v-2 rockets and better me-262's and a lot more of those tanks. I am pretty sure if we had waited till Saddam actually had WMD's he would have used them on our troops, and sold them to anyone with cash if we never attacked, that is why I am glad we attacked.
 
I certainly don't object to being in Iraq. But, I do think there were other countries that pose a greater threat (N. Korea is one, maybe Iran) that probably should have been dealt with first.
 
But, I do think there were other countries that pose a greater threat (N. Korea is one, maybe Iran) that probably should have been dealt with first.
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N. Korea is currently held in as much check as can be hoped for by 1+ billion Chinese who like working for WalMart better than they like radioisotopes (courtesy of America) in their morning rice. And by dealing with one of the more weakened middle-eastern threats first, we gave our troops a staging ground from which to deal with Iran if it becomes necessary. Otherwise it was going to be very difficult to get sufficient troops there - shy of using Hollyperv magic of course.

Not to mention the fact that the whooshing sound that you hear is Islamic fanatics being sucked into, and anihilated in, Iraq.

I'm not glad we are in Iraq so much as I am glad that we are finally dealing with the decades old threat of Islamic fanaticism. I am also glad that in doing so we have told those who can reason that it is a really bad idea to start #%$&#%* with us. Those who cannot reason, because they cling to their barbarian past, are being whacked and stacked as we speak.

Win/Win
 
We are sure thatN.Korea has nuclear weapons. The S. Koreans which were allied to us and asked us to help them when the north invaded call the shots. The war is still technically on, there is no shooting for the 52 odd years. I would not send soldiers to fight in a war to get Nuked by N. Korea. It would have to be surgical airstrkes to disable their nuclear arms. Or a nuclear strike to diable their country. I am not sure if we have small nukes that can be laser guided. Or it would be the S. koreans themselves crossing the DMZ or doing a McCarturian landing behind enemy lines. Having Nukes is one thing, the other is being able to reliably deliver them somewhere. I am not sure if they have the rocket tech to deliver them somewhere. N. korea has shown a little bit that they are trying to use weapons that might just be sitting in bunkers somewhere as bargaining chips. Why go step in a nuclear minefield. N. Korea selling small suicide bomb nukes is a problem but I bet that the governments expensive survelliance equipment is watching for that and there are a few subs off the korean coast. The weapons that we thought Iraq had were nerve gas and bio weapons that can be defended against. I think that we thought that these compounds were still not quite ready for deployment. I think we basically went in before Saddam could load his gun so to speak with chem and bio weapons. It also like Mr. Hansen states that you really will be hunted to the ends of the earth and you have nowhere to hide even if we have to go through an uncooperative country. Clinton showed no backbone to find the attackers of the USS Cole, and the various embassy bombings. When in somalia he let politicians hamper the militaries use of the correct amount of force in a daylight raid, and ran home witn his tail between his legs.
 
Not to mention the fact that the whooshing sound that you hear is Islamic fanatics being sucked into, and anihilated in, Iraq.
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No matter how many times this is said, it doesn't get any smarter. The Islamic world is among the fastest growing populations on the earth. You don't eliminate "Martyr Brigades" by shooting them one at a time - that's how they grow. The terrorists we kill in Iraq are just the tip of the iceberg.
 
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there is no shooting for the 52 odd years

Oh yes there has! I was stationed near the Z when the first tunnel was found. A ROK soldier was walking his post when he saw steam coming out of the ground one day back in 1973. He walked over to investigate it, and that kicked off a 30 minute artillery duel.
The SAEDA officers called us in for a briefing of what they found, and told us there was no sense in trying to write home about it, as any mention in our letters would be censored. It was suspected at that time that as many as a dozen more tunnels were in progress, although I have not heard anything.
BTW, this was no VC crawl on your belly kind. It had lights and a train track in it, and estimated capability was about 2200 troops an hour through it.

Ever hear of the USS Pueblo?????


There have been many firefights back and forth on the DMZ over the decades, not to mention the infiltrators who wash up on the Imjim river, and are occasionally caught after being delivered by submarine. We once watched a MIG 21 fly past at pretty high speed, then dashing back to the other side as a whole bunch of F-4's were coming up from the south, and you could tell they were in afterburner-Phantoms smoke really bad.

The North Koreans have a ballistic missile which has some pretty good distance. I believe it was last year the Japanese government complained when one of said missiles went over Japan and landed in the Pacific Ocean.

Saddam's army did not have the muscle it once did, thanks to the magnificent work done in 1991. Jumping off and invading North Korea is quite a different bone to pick, and its not because of the nukes.

If you think the terrain in Iraq is hostile, I suggest you go to Korea.
Most of the country is mountainous, and I mean the kind where if you are not going up a hill, you are going down. That in itself funnels armor units into areas which are fairly predictable. The flatlands are going to be primarily rice paddies-also not good for armor.

It would, no doubt be a very bloody war in comparison with Iraq. Not to mention the North Koreans out number the US forces by a factor of 14 at least. Not too hard to figure that one-if you wish to eat in North Korea, you join the army or die of malnutrition. At the time I was stationed there, it was estimated that 14 divisions faced us across the border. At that time, the US 2nd Infantry division was nothing more than a trip wire, and likely would have ceased to exist in pretty short order if the bad guys wanted to try something.
 
Explain the USS pueblo, I haven't heard of it, but there have been some many cover ups it is not surprising.

So what you are saying is that the N. Koreans could march into S. Korea and take it Over? I hope we have air bases away from the DMZ and helicopter bases, so that apaches and super cobras could get to it pretty fast. I would havae a certain # of aircraft flying around 24/7/365, and have paladin artillery in spots that they can fire and move before being locked on by the enemies artillery. I thin that we have tracked mortars that are fire projectiles of over 100mm sending them about 8 miles. I would just use are strengths and let the s. Koreans be the main infantry force. I think our planes would attain air superiority within 48 hours. And We could hit their Command & control with sub or ship launched cruise misslles. If we had some old battle ships let them open up with the 16 inchers. Does the North have any helicopters? I would let americain ground troops retreat and use are technology to get them from the air. I am sure that the Soviets haven't given them any aid in 15 years. I am not sure what the chinese would give them or have to give to them.

I understand there are things going on over there. I bet they had the Soviet helping and instigating war. My cousin was station in korea mabe 3 years ago for a year. I am not sure of are fighting strength their but I hope that the S. Koreans have about 20 times the forces we have.

I am not diminishing your concerns but I can't type anymore right now, or look up any facts on the strength of the countries involved. It has been a rough couple of days and my back is killing me. I wish I could take some more history and other classes. Thanks for serving in the armed forces!!!
 
:barf: Quit frankly I am not pleased about the war. Sadam wasnt a threat and I lost one of my uncle Carl's son in that place not including one is still there.

I dont mean he died but he is mentaly unstable now. He was a medic with the spear head guys. He saw the ****iest of the **** there and has almost lost it completly :( . I never got to know him when I was younger and I will never get to know him like my dad, his dad, his mom, my mom, and my brothers knew him when he was stable.

The only thing good out of all this is that Iraq is now a freer country.

I am sorry if you think I am not pry-tree-otic but you dont know what goes on in combat until you have been there. If any war time vetrens read this please dont be offened by the opion of a person that is unsure of his uncle's famaly :( .
 
Is the 2nd ID still sitting on the border with the ROK troops? I'd heard that the North Koreans have so much artillery within range of Seol and the 2nd ID that coupled with the high speed troop tunnels they can do some very serious damage in the first hour or two. I've even heard 2nd ID guys say that they're pretty much just the "alarm" division.....in place to warn the rest of the world when the N. Koreans start rolling into the South....
 
The USS PUEBLO was a U. S. Navy vessel sent on an intelligence mission off the coast of North Korea. On January 23, 1968, the USS PUEBLO was attacked by North Korean naval vessels and MiG jets. One man was killed and several were wounded. The Eighty-two surviving crew members were captured and held prisoner for 11 months. It was very widely reported. You can check www.usspueblo.org for more info.

I'm not even certain about the 2nd ID anymore-the last I heard was two brigades deployed there and the rest were at Ft Lewis, Washington. I would swear that I saw some Indianhead patches on some of the troops in Iraq, but I'm guessing those were the folks at Lewis-not certain of it however.

One thing you should understand is that both sides have had 50+years to zero in on whatever they think is important, and while the ammo is close by, you still have to get the units out and in position to get the job done. The most important asset there is intelligence-in fact, it is absolutely vital, otherwise, the 2nd ID and a lot of other forces are going to die in the first hours of any war there. Provided we have some decent advanced warning, we might be able to hold off an invasion long enough to bring superior firepower to bear. If they catch the south with their pants down, you won't have time to kiss a few million people goodbye. Artillery, using RAP rounds can reach Seoul-30 miles from the DMZ.

Dan-the North Koreans have MIG's, helicopters-likely MI-24's and troop carriers. They are big on land forces, and their navy seems to be mostly coastal patrol and a few diesel subs.

Personally, I don't think our military presence is actually required there anymore. The ROK army is one of the best I ever saw, and when I was there, they were primarily equipped with WWII and Korean war issue-M1 Garands, BAR's and the like. Never saw one of their deuce and halfs that didn't smoke like crazy. Their ground attack plane in the early 70's was the F-86H Sabre and let me tell you, those guys know how to get close to the ground! I saw rivets and smiling faces during some training exercises.....doing somewhere close to 400 MPH.

They now have a much more modern air force and army, and they know how to train. I suspect our presence there is more symbolic, basically a guarrantee that if the north ever attacks, they will be attacking the US as well. I did sometimes wonder if we were there to keep the south from attacking the north. Park Chung Hee was President-a dictator in fact, when I was there, and he had more than a passing interest in seeing the countries united.

I'm sure there are people on this board that have been to ROK more recently than I, but the drift I get is the younger Koreans who did not experience the war are more hostile towards the Americans. The older folks who do remember how terrible the war was in Korea seem to have a generally positive attitude towards our soldiers, and with good reason.

I have an uncle who served with the 82nd Airborne in WWII (North Africa to Germany), 2nd ID in Korea, and the 1st Cav in Viet Nam (1965-67). He told me that, hands down, the Korean war was the bloodiest fighting he ever saw.
 
I do not think that Iraq had terrain that was that bad. The British and rommel fought some battles in sort of similar terrain. My cousin said he never went off base in 200 or 2001. I think that GM used to have a partnership in a korean car company but thought that the workers were too unstable and got out of the joint venture. I think that the north just doesn't have much to work with. Who Is supplying them with anything. The russians can barely supply themselves. We fought the best that The communist had in 1991 and managed to kill at least 500 enemy soldiers to our 1 soldier. Our military has improved exponentially since then. I don't want our troops over their helping the koreans, just like I didn't want them helping the philipinos in the '80's or whenever they protested us being over their. I really hate that when there is a volcano that erupts they all ask for our help with aid and supplies. I don't like it when the un critises the us, but when they need soldiers to stop a civil war or help somewhere, where do they come to beg. What nation always bears the brunt of the casualties and pays for the other armed forces. Did the japanese ever pay any of the money they promised us during the Gulf war. We should tax the japanese to pay for all of the military protection we have given them since 1945. It probably was very bloody fighting. We pushed the N koreans right to the yalu river. Mao thought was too close and sent about 1,000,000 fresh chinese troops to say so. But we fought them and retreated and then held them at the original line between N and s korea. Was it worth it, I know that if we had turned tail and ran that everything that we had fought for in 1950 and the men who died would have been for nothing. People don't understand that if you give up than you should not have gone over in the first place. You can not deny that saddam was as evil as hitler, and that that stalin was probably the most evil of all if you go by body count. Chuchill might have had the right idea to keep marching east and use some a bombs on russia.
 
A friend stationed in S. Korea several years ago reports the Koreans don't like us. The reason given was that we were stopping them from invading N. Korea!

Sounds like the reason for our presence has changed over the years.
 
I think it has been announced that a lot of the big cold war bases will be closing and more smaller bases with a reduction in personal will replace them.
 
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