Say someone has cut down a shotgun barrel to where it is no longer legal under NFA.
ghbucky said:Say someone has cut down a shotgun barrel to where it is no longer legal under NFA.
It's a felony to possess.ghbucky as a hypothetical question:
Say someone has cut down a shotgun barrel to where it is no longer legal under NFA.
Yes.What happens when that person passes away? Is there a legal option to surrender something like that?
That would be illegal possession of an unregistered NFA firearm by the dealer, so no, don't do that.JohnKSa.....It might also be possible to turn it over to a dealer who is licensed to handle such items and have them hold it until you can get the paperwork taken care of to take legal possession of it.
Interesting. That's what I get for speculating.That would be illegal possession of an unregistered NFA firearm by the dealer, so no, don't do that.
Possessing the short barrel would be legal if the barrel is REMOVED from the firearm in question and then modified in a clearly permanent manner that will prevent it from being assembled back into an illegal configuration. Not sure why someone would want to do that vs. just destroying it....if it is only the barrel length that makes the shotgun illegal, and you remove that too short barrel (and ensure it won't go back on the gun, then isn't the barrel less gun legal?
Keep in mind that playing this kind of game could result in having to prove, in court, how the approach you have taken conforms to the law.
I would be interested to know if anyone can think of a scenario where owning a shotgun barrel you can't ever legally use would be worth that kind of risk.
Exactly. Which is why it's better to avoid doing things that could result in criminal accusations.Doesn't every criminal accusation eventually come down to this, anyway?
No, it's a shotgun barrel that's under the legal length. If you don't have a gun it can be fitted to, you should be able to defend yourself in court, if it comes to that. Or you could just avoid the whole mess entirely and destroy the barrel or get rid of it.If one does not own a gun it can be fitted to, is just a piece of steel with dimensions x,y, and z.
Welding, I think is acceptable. Not sure about brazing. But there's no need to destroy the gun unless the barrel can't be removed without destroying the receiver. Just take the barrel off and get rid of it or destroy it and you're good.Permanently welding or brazing an extension to the end of the barrel could save a perfectly good gun. I don't know why one would destroy the entire gun just to replace the barrel?
No, it's a shotgun barrel that's under the legal length.
Yeah, I think it is. You think it is, based on what you are writing. Any reasonable person will think it is.Is it??
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I can buy (or make) a shotgun barrel 8" long. Its perfectly legal and unrestricted to own, AS LONG AS I don't have a shotgun to put it on.
I'm not arguing any point remotely related to that assessment.I think it is flawed reasoning to assume that an item that "has only one use" and therefore that must be the only thing a person can do with it, and the only reason for owning one is to do that thing with it, is a value judgement, and valid only in the eyes of those making that judgement.
It remains a barrel for a short bbl shotgun, an AOW or a PG firearm that expels a shotgun shell.....which is a Title I firearm such as the Rem Tac14 or Mossberg Shockwave.44 AMP
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No, it's a shotgun barrel that's under the legal length.
when its not on a gun, and there's no gun to attach it to, is it still "under legal length"??
As long as you don't possess that 8" bbl with a receiver that allows assembly as a regulated firearm you are fine.I realize its mostly word games, what I'm trying to look at are principles and uniformity in the way items are treated and their legal status.
I can buy (or make) a shotgun barrel 8" long. Its perfectly legal and unrestricted to own, AS LONG AS I don't have a shotgun to put it on.
If I then apply for the federal license and tax stamp to make a SBS, and wait for its approval before I build a gun with that barrel, I'm complying with the law. If I don't, then, I'm not. Right??
Correct.Isn't this the same principle as a "shorty" AR barrel (or complete upper)??
I can own as many of those as I want, they can be mailed to my door USPS, they aren't regulated items, or restricted, (as they are not firearms) AS LONG AS I don't have a lower receiver they could be mounted on.
Even evil ATF doesn't take that view.I think it is flawed reasoning to assume that an item that "has only one use" and therefore that must be the only thing a person can do with it, and the only reason for owning one is to do that thing with it, is a value judgement, and valid only in the eyes of those making that judgement.
Yes but the context was quite different. Randy was "requested" to cut the barrel(s) to less than 16 inches by a purchaser. IIRC, it was later determined the actual length was 16.25in after cutting. Don't remember anything about the overall length though. The "standoff" was because of not appearing in court related to this.Didn't a short shotgun barrel have something to do with Randy Weaver?
I know this was a "Tommy gun" and not a shot gun but wouldn't the same rules apply?