Huglu shotgun

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Robin Rasendill

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Even I do have a beutiful Browning 2000 semiautomatic shotgun, I quess I need anhother one for trap and skeet shooting, what do you Know about the HUGLU shotgun, it is rather cheap, and Britons say that it has some fine mechanimns like the Browning O/U and Miroku shotguns have, what do you think?
 
and Britons say that it has some fine mechanimns like the Browning O/U and Miroku shotguns have, what do you think?
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I'd say the Britons have been hitting the gin too early and too often

Huglus have NO where near the quality of the Browning/Miroku guns, nor do they have anywhere near the longevity

Caveat Emptor
 
Huglu is making some of the worst guns on the market in my view...

You can't tell the quality of a shotgun based on how it looks on the outside.

On the Huglu O/U's --- the steel is questionable, the barrel connection is weak - and often - one barrel will have a point of impact - way different- than the other barrel ( and I've seen some as much as 2 feet apart ) / which will make it an impossible gun to shoot well for anything ...in my view.
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Beretta and Browning both give you a lot of gun for the money ...and you have to ask yourself --- if someone is bringing a gun to the market at 60% less than either Beretta or Browning ( because both of them are in heavy competition with eachother - at all levels of their market -- from $ 1,000 to $4,000 guns in their respective lines)...and if someone can make an O/U for less than half of what they cost ....what got left out / or what did they cheapen up ... Its not just fancy wood that drives up the cost of mfg'ing a shotgun ...its the steel, the quality of the triggers, the quality of the barrels..the ribs, etc...
 
The Browning B-2000 semi-autos were only imported for a short time ...and I looked them up / Browning said they made them from 1973 - 1980 ...and as far as I know they were all fitted with fixed choke barrels ...vs the older Invector Screw in changeable choke systems.

Do you need another gun for clay targets ...maybe / maybe not ...but a gun with changeable screw in chokes, these days, is a big advantage because you can use one gun for a number of different things.

If you like Browning semi-autos ...on a budget, look at the Browning Silver series ...in either 12ga or 20ga ...they're selling new for around $ 800.

http://www.browning.com/products/ca...11&type_id=350&content=silver-hunter-firearms

A gun with a 3" chamber is plenty - for any clay targets - as well as for birds for that matter. Its a good versatile gun .....but there are a lot of other guns on the market as well / but if you want an O/U - then look seriously at the offerings from both Browning ( Citori or Cynergy line ) and Beretta - and find one that fits your needs.

The entry level, Browning Citori Lightning ....is a solid field grade gun ...selling new for around $ 1,500 these days ...

http://www.browning.com/products/ca...type_id=461&content=citori-lightning-firearms

and there are a lot of used ones around - for around $1,000 ...
 
[it has some fine mechanimns like the Browning O/U and Miroku shotguns have]

And, a VW is the same as a BMW. ;) . :p


H-U-G-L-U = B-L-I-N-G (as in: pretty)

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H-U-G-L-U = S-O-F-T (as in: not well hardened parts)

Pay your $$$; take your choice.

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CZ USA shotguns are Huglu imports. I have a CZ912 semi auto that is well made (the only problems I've had ith it were caused by me). The O/U guns look nice but I have no experience with them. Take a look at shotgunworld.com in the Huglu forums and you will see a lot of positive feed back about th CURRENT crop of these guns.
 
Of COURSE the Huglu forum is going to have positive posts, as would a forum about Fords, Henckel's knives, or Levi's.........
 
Huglu Makes Many guns

Huglu is a turkish manufacturer that has made guns for many Name brands. They have a semi auto series that is ok for an entry gun but not at the same level as a Remington 1100 for example. My biggest complaint is the trigger group on them. They are not really designed to be frequently disassembled but I can't say mine has needed it. I have a CZ 720 made by Huglu and while it's a good reliable nice looking shotgun, the trigger is nowhere near as crisp as on a mossberg 500 or Remington 870. It does have chrome lined parts and basic cleaning is stright forwards just like any semi auto shotgun. Once broken in it has never jammed except with some out of spec remington ammo that also jammed in a browning BPS. If you are sincerely interested in buying a huglu due to price, don't be totally turned off to it by peoples opinions until you have tried the trigger and disassembled the gun you are interested in buying. Over and under's have been around for a long time and if the design is classic, it just may not be as finely finished but otherwise a good shooter. I've hunted with my CZ a bit and I do like the gun a lot and have no plan on selling it. I paid about $430 when a Browning Gold was $950. It handles well and shoots fine. rc
 
The Turks can and will make some great weapons. If the buyer (brand name) wants $3000 quality guns they will do it. If the buyer wants pretty guns for $500 they will make them.

So, you get what you pay for is what I am getting at. They can/will make quality. However, lately it seems a lot of the buyers going to Turkey are wanting bottom dollar guns and are getting them.
 
+1 on OneOunces comments...
" Of COURSE the Huglu forum is going to have positive posts, as would a forum about Fords, Henckel's knives, or Levi's....."

but take a look at OneOunces tag line ....
" The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price has faded from memory.” - Aldo Gucci

To me that tag line says a lot ....
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I'm happy that some of you guys are having decent results with your Turkish guns .../ shotguns like Ruger - are making guns in Turkey now too - and they aren't terrible - but as consumers, we will all make choices based on where we perceive the best value to be ...and we all have to be honest about our budgets...but the proof will be in the results or durability long term ...or at least 5 yrs down the road....

A new Browning Citori Lightning - that cost $ 750 in 1988 ... 23 yrs later - that has fired 8 boxes of shells a month ( call it 2,000 shells a year - has now fired 46,000 shells ...) and used, with a few scratches, but well maintained is still worth $1,000 after having given its owner a lot of great days in the field, on the clays fields, etc ...now admittedly, part of the resale value is the same gun sells today new, for around $1,500 ....but my point is, the used market value of a gun will tell you a lot about its quality long term.

http://www.browning.com/products/ca...type_id=461&content=citori-lightning-firearms

You have to ask yourself - 5 yrs from now, or 10, or 20yrs ...what if anything, will that Huglu - or any Turkish gun be worth ...or will it even still be operating at all ...vs a Browning Lightning as an example...

My money is on the Browning still being there after 50,000 shells ( or even 100,000 or more )....that's what defines value to me..long term durability and if it meets or exceeds all my needs in the meantime.

The questions I ask in this discussion -- What is value ? Is this gun a value long term ? What kind of "life" do I expect from my shotguns ? Will any of these Turkish made guns make it 20 yrs ? ( of course none of us will remember this discussion 20 yrs from now ...) but still ..what are "throw away" guns vs "value" or long term guns ... and how you answer all these issues - is where you spend your money ! If the Turkish made guns are your choice - I hope it works out for you. Sometimes you might want a gun that is a "throw away" for some reason ...use it up, get rid of it...and go to something else. Some guys want a long term gun - that will hold its value...

Maybe the Turkish made guns - will get there someday ...maybe they're getting better ..maybe not../ and yes Miroku Brownings had a questionable reputation vs the Belgium made Brownings for awhile ...but today, most of that is gone, in my opinion.
 
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I remember when "Made in Japan" was synonymous with junk...manufacturing quality can change with time.
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Absolutely true, and my comments are not against ALL Turkish guns. Huglus have come from total crap to hit and miss - that's 50% better and they are getting better, but they are not where Miroku/Browning is. UTAS brothers from Turkey, who made the S&W Elite SxS and Kimber makes VERY good guns.

Huglu is making guns to allow price point - when that happens - it doesn't matter where they are made - they will have issues with quality. You can't expect a gun made to sell for a few hundred to have the quality that sells for ten times has - labor COSTS and quality labor costs a LOT. To make low price points (and sorry, folks but under 1K for a SxS is a low price point), corners have to be cut
 
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