How to (HT) disassemble a 1911 with a one piece guide rod? Is there a trick, do you have to make some other modification to the frame or slide. I've seen the two piece rods that come apart with a hex-key, they disassemble like a normal 1911. Thinking about replacing the short Colt guild that came with my Combat Commander. -- Kernel
HT: Disassemble 1911 w/One Piece Guide Rod?
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FLGRs that extend past the barrel bushing are a major PITA, since you can't compress the rod enough to turn the bushing. I replaced the one in my 1911 with a 2-piece Ed Brown jobbie.
If you want to stick with the one-piece, there should be a little hole about halfway along its length. Before I switched, I took a T-shaped push pin and cut off the lower half. Push the rod forward so that the hole is on the other side of the bushing, and drop the pin through the hole. The top bar of the pin should retain the spring, allowing you to withdraw the rod back through the bushing.
Clumsy, but it works. HTH
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"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it."
-- John Hay, 1872
If you want to stick with the one-piece, there should be a little hole about halfway along its length. Before I switched, I took a T-shaped push pin and cut off the lower half. Push the rod forward so that the hole is on the other side of the bushing, and drop the pin through the hole. The top bar of the pin should retain the spring, allowing you to withdraw the rod back through the bushing.
Clumsy, but it works. HTH
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"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it."
-- John Hay, 1872
If your gun does not have the bushingless system:
1. Disassemble guide rod. Remove spring.
2. Throw guide rod out the window.
3. Reassemble with normal spring guide, spring and spring plug.
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Be mentally deliberate but muscularly fast. Aim for just above the belt buckle Wyatt Earp
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"It is error alone that needs government support; truth can stand by itself." Tom Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1785
1. Disassemble guide rod. Remove spring.
2. Throw guide rod out the window.
3. Reassemble with normal spring guide, spring and spring plug.
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Be mentally deliberate but muscularly fast. Aim for just above the belt buckle Wyatt Earp
45 ACP: Give 'em a new navel! BigG
"It is error alone that needs government support; truth can stand by itself." Tom Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1785
The FLGR is an answer to a non-existent problem. The 45 Auto has never had jamming probs due to recoil spring kinking up, which the FLGR is supposed to prevent.
If JMB didn't put it in, it ain't necessary, IMHO. Also, Les Baer, Brian Bilby, Rosco Benson and other knowledgeable pistoleers agree with my position.
I think they put it in because it looks "cool" and high tech. JMHO
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Be mentally deliberate but muscularly fast. Aim for just above the belt buckle Wyatt Earp
45 ACP: Give 'em a new navel! BigG
"It is error alone that needs government support; truth can stand by itself." Tom Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1785
If JMB didn't put it in, it ain't necessary, IMHO. Also, Les Baer, Brian Bilby, Rosco Benson and other knowledgeable pistoleers agree with my position.
I think they put it in because it looks "cool" and high tech. JMHO
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Be mentally deliberate but muscularly fast. Aim for just above the belt buckle Wyatt Earp
45 ACP: Give 'em a new navel! BigG
"It is error alone that needs government support; truth can stand by itself." Tom Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1785
G. Kennedy
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The only reason to put a full length guide rod in a 1911 is if you want some more weight up front for less muzzle flip/better tracking of the gun for followup shots. In no way does it help reliability.....
Kernal,
To answer the original question - the only trick to disassembly of a 1911 with a full length one-piece guide rod is to use a bushing wrench - I prefer the plastic kind to prevent marking the gun. The only reason you need the bushing wrench is the open end of the spring plug makes it difficult to depress with your thumb or finger. In fact, I use my wrench just long enough to depress the plug and start to turn the bushing, then I finish the job with my fingers. Otherwise it disassembles just like any other 1911. The rod is not long enough to interfere with bushing removal (unlike the two-piece which comes flush with the bushing and plug requiring the removal of the forward section to turn the bushing).
As for all the opinions about the need (or lack thereof) for a FLGR - I've had guns equipped both ways. I've never had a failure of any kind related to either one of the systems. I always put FLGR's in my guns if I keep them.
Are they necessary - obviously not. Are they desirable - I like 'em and I'm convinced my guns run better with them installed, but thats subjective. Can they cause more harm than good - I don't see how. Do you want one - (insert your answer here). If it's yes then go get one and try it out. That's the only way you'll know how you feel about them.
Mikey
To answer the original question - the only trick to disassembly of a 1911 with a full length one-piece guide rod is to use a bushing wrench - I prefer the plastic kind to prevent marking the gun. The only reason you need the bushing wrench is the open end of the spring plug makes it difficult to depress with your thumb or finger. In fact, I use my wrench just long enough to depress the plug and start to turn the bushing, then I finish the job with my fingers. Otherwise it disassembles just like any other 1911. The rod is not long enough to interfere with bushing removal (unlike the two-piece which comes flush with the bushing and plug requiring the removal of the forward section to turn the bushing).
As for all the opinions about the need (or lack thereof) for a FLGR - I've had guns equipped both ways. I've never had a failure of any kind related to either one of the systems. I always put FLGR's in my guns if I keep them.
Are they necessary - obviously not. Are they desirable - I like 'em and I'm convinced my guns run better with them installed, but thats subjective. Can they cause more harm than good - I don't see how. Do you want one - (insert your answer here). If it's yes then go get one and try it out. That's the only way you'll know how you feel about them.
Mikey
The use of FLGR has been a recurring topic for debate in other forums (Onelist.com). Mostly it points to the m1911 type of handgun. My experience with the m1911 is, you dont need a FLGR. I did not notice any improvement in the performance of my 1911 with the FLGR installed. When carrying the m1911, I prefer the standard rod. I can press check to see if its loaded, which is easier than retracting the slide. Moreover, if something goes wrong with the gun, disassembly will be a lot easier with the standard rod. Just my personal opinion...
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jj0287
Or bobtail grip for that matter.The 1911 will function fine with or without a FLGR.
As for JMB, well he didn't see the need for a beavertail grip safety either, but it sure as hell is nice to have.
Sorry for reviving an old thread...i was jus searching on how to dissassemble my 1911 (has FLGR) for cleaning.
Searching is easier than posting new and getting chewed out for not searching. XD
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