HS2000
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G. Kennedy
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Our local gunshop got one in and I was impressed. Price was right too (they were asking 379.00). I'm curious to shoot one....
I have read a couple of articles on the HS 2000 and I can't say I am overly impressed. It just looks like another service pistol with a platform that is too large for the caliber. This is a 9mm and the Glock 19's size make a lot more sense to me for a 15 shot pistol. I didn't see any use for the grip safety either. Others will view it differently. Regards, Richard.
All those safety "features" are geting mandated by Maryland law:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>All handguns MANUFACTURED after January 1, 2003 must have an "integrated mechanical safety device built into a handgun designed to prevent
the handgun from being discharged unless the device has been diactivated". MLFDA is not certain what qualifies as an "integrated mechanical safety
device", but we are certain that the regulations will define it. Dealers can relax about this requirement, as most handgun manufacturers that the MLFDA
has contacted state that they are currently on such additions to their handguns, due to liability concerns, and will probably have them available well before
the year 2003. In addition, companies, such as Safety Trigger, are also working on a retro-fitted unit, mounted on the trigger guard. This can be installed
by any good gunsmith. Remember, only handguns MANUFACTURED after 1/1/2003 face this requirement, not used handguns or models
purchased by the dealer after 1/1/03, but manufactured prior to that date. A serial number list will be compiled by MLFDA and made available prior to
1/1/03.[/quote]
Gotta love this from HSarms.com:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Fires under water up to 3 m[/quote]
i think the stand-off device keeps the gun out of battery
SPECIFICATIONS ON THE HS 2000 PISTOL
Mechanically-Locked, Recoil-Operated, Semiautomatic Pistol, Safety
Locked Action with 4 Safeties:
1.Firing-pin block/drop safety
2.Grip Safety
3.Trigger Safety
4.Out of Battery Safety
-dZ
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>All handguns MANUFACTURED after January 1, 2003 must have an "integrated mechanical safety device built into a handgun designed to prevent
the handgun from being discharged unless the device has been diactivated". MLFDA is not certain what qualifies as an "integrated mechanical safety
device", but we are certain that the regulations will define it. Dealers can relax about this requirement, as most handgun manufacturers that the MLFDA
has contacted state that they are currently on such additions to their handguns, due to liability concerns, and will probably have them available well before
the year 2003. In addition, companies, such as Safety Trigger, are also working on a retro-fitted unit, mounted on the trigger guard. This can be installed
by any good gunsmith. Remember, only handguns MANUFACTURED after 1/1/2003 face this requirement, not used handguns or models
purchased by the dealer after 1/1/03, but manufactured prior to that date. A serial number list will be compiled by MLFDA and made available prior to
1/1/03.[/quote]
Gotta love this from HSarms.com:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Fires under water up to 3 m[/quote]
i think the stand-off device keeps the gun out of battery
SPECIFICATIONS ON THE HS 2000 PISTOL
Mechanically-Locked, Recoil-Operated, Semiautomatic Pistol, Safety
Locked Action with 4 Safeties:
1.Firing-pin block/drop safety
2.Grip Safety
3.Trigger Safety
4.Out of Battery Safety
-dZ
VictorLouis
New member
The stand-off device is supposed to keep the muzzle from directly contacting the BG in a a close quarters 'contact' shot. This allows the slide room to cycle and return to battery. In reality, the muzzle compresses into the body, and will make contact anyway. The fluids and matter that will splash back, into and onto the gun, could very likely cause it to jam after that first shot. It's another example of, "It looks neat, and sounds cool-so let's put it on our gun". 
David Scott
New member
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Richard:
I have read a couple of articles on the HS 2000 and I can't say I am overly impressed. It just looks like another service pistol with a platform that is too large for the caliber. This is a 9mm and the Glock 19's size make a lot more sense to me for a 15 shot pistol. I didn't see any use for the grip safety either. Others will view it differently. Regards, Richard.[/quote]
You're right -- others view it differently.
Maybe it is big for a 9mm, but the HS2000 is available in .40 & .357 SIG. In either caliber, the size is comforting for its full grip.
The grip safety doesn't let the slide move back unless it's depressed. A review I read said that this eliminated a problem the writer had with Glocks, that the slide would move part way back when holstering.
IMHO, if the quality is as good as the reviews say, the best part of this is the price -- my local shop has one in .357 SIG for under $400 NIB w/2 mags. I was tempted, but I think I'll wait and see if they're still in business six months from now. I hate the thought of buying an orphan -- that's why I passed up a decent deal on a Colt Pocket Nine.
I guess that's why there are so many brands, so each of us can find something we like. If there were One Perfect Pistol we'd all be using it and have nothing much to discuss.
I have read a couple of articles on the HS 2000 and I can't say I am overly impressed. It just looks like another service pistol with a platform that is too large for the caliber. This is a 9mm and the Glock 19's size make a lot more sense to me for a 15 shot pistol. I didn't see any use for the grip safety either. Others will view it differently. Regards, Richard.[/quote]
You're right -- others view it differently.
Maybe it is big for a 9mm, but the HS2000 is available in .40 & .357 SIG. In either caliber, the size is comforting for its full grip.
The grip safety doesn't let the slide move back unless it's depressed. A review I read said that this eliminated a problem the writer had with Glocks, that the slide would move part way back when holstering.
IMHO, if the quality is as good as the reviews say, the best part of this is the price -- my local shop has one in .357 SIG for under $400 NIB w/2 mags. I was tempted, but I think I'll wait and see if they're still in business six months from now. I hate the thought of buying an orphan -- that's why I passed up a decent deal on a Colt Pocket Nine.
I guess that's why there are so many brands, so each of us can find something we like. If there were One Perfect Pistol we'd all be using it and have nothing much to discuss.
I think the manufacturer will be around for awhile:
from Cruffler.com:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The HS2000 is made by IM Metal of Ozalj, Croatia. IM Metal is an experienced heavy machinery manufacturer.
Since the late 1980's, the firm has produced the standard Croatian military and police pistol, the Hrvatski
Samokres (literally, "Croatian Pistol") or HS. The manufacturing process is of the most modern type, making
ample use of Computer Assisted Design (CAD) and Computer Numerically Controlled (CNC) fabrication
equipment. The HS performed very well in Croatian service. Well enough that it began to acquire a following that
extended beyond the borders of Croatia. One of foreign businesses that began to express an interest in the HS
was Intrac, of Knoxville, Tennessee. Early in 1999, Intrac identified a potential market niche for a new self
loading pistol. It was believed that the the US law enforcement market was suffering a lack of a reasonably
priced, well made self-loading pistol that employed all of the most modern safety features, including a manually
operated external safety. An agreement was reached between IM Metal and Intrac by which IM Metal was to
produce a version of the HS modified to meet the needs of the US market as well as the stringent importation
standards of the Gun Control Act of 1968, and Intrac would import and distribute the gun. The resulting pistol was
the HS2000.[/quote]
also:
CROATIA WEEKLY, Zagreb, July 29, 1999
CROATIA WILL BE FIRST COUNTRY TO PRODUCE ISRAELI RIFLE
Representatives of the Israeli firm IMI (Israeli Military Industries) presented a prototype for an assault rifle called the Tavor for the first time outside of Israel
Only a few days after the news that a new type of Israeli assault rifle called the Tavor might be manufactured in Croatia, representatives of the Israeli state company
IMI (Israel Military Industries) came to Zagreb and presented their prototype for the Tavor for the first time outside of Israel.
"Croatia is truly the first country to which we brought the new rifle. Our experts have been working on its development for several years," said one IMI
representative. Before the rifle was demonstrated outdoors on a firing range, the IMI representatives held a virtual presentation of their firm and the Tavor to Croatian
army officers.
IMI was established 65 years ago, when Israel was still under British occupation, and it eventually grew into a firm which earns a half-billion dollars in sales every
year. US$ 100 million of this is earned on exports alone. In addition to their better known firearms, such as the Galil assault rifle, the Negev light machine gun, the
Jericho pistol and the now legendary Uzi submachine gun, IMI also exports artillery and tank ordnance, fighter jet missiles, tank and airplane parts, rocket engines,
artillery firing systems, electronic systems and small arms ammunition.
"In the Tavor project we went to meet the needs of our army, which had several important demands. They need an assault rifle that will perform better in combat than
previous models under various conditions: in urban warfare, in anti-tank defense," said one of the Tavor's designers.
He also noted the rifle's chief characteristics: "Precision, NATO 5.56 mm caliber, easy handling and comfort, which means the rifle will be light, short, ergonomically
designed with standard multifunctional optical sights and barrels that can fire anti-tank grenades."
"With the use of composite materials, as well as light alloys and aluminum wherever we don't have to use steel, we obtained a rifle that is 72 cm long and weighs only
2.5 kg. Under combat conditions and fully loaded, it is only 1 kg heavier, and this makes it lighter than all competing assault rifles," he concluded. The next phase
will include talks with a Croatian producer, IM-Metal of Ozalj, a firm that will be heading the project on the Croatian side. However, production of the Tavor will
encompass an entire series of Croatian firms involved in military production.
http://www.dalmatia.net/croatia/military/croatia_to_produce_israely_rifle.htm
CROATIA WEEKLY, Zagreb, October 29, 1999
CROATIAN PISTOLS FOR THE AMERICAN MARKET
The US$ 8.6 million export of Croatian pistols is the result of a project developed over the past eight years
A contract worth US$ 8.6 million for the sale of 50,000 "HS-2000" pistols made by the firm
IM Metal from Ozalj to the American company Intrac Arms International, which will further
distribute the pistols on the American market, was signed at the Croatian Defense Ministry.
"The sale of the 'HS-2000' pistol on the American market is of exceptional importance to the
Defense Ministry and to the economy in general. This project was carefully developed over
the last eight years and today's signing is the result of a coordinated effort between, above all,
IM Metal, the initiator and driving force behind the entire idea, and experts from the Defense
Ministry and the Economic Affairs Ministry, which has, with its recent support, given the
project the momentum needed to push it through," said Defense Minister Pavao Miljavac after
the signing of the contract. Miljavac added that he believes, if the whole procedure goes
according to plan, there will be new contracts in the future.
Thanks to the Croatian partners, especially RH ALAN and the U. S. Embassy, an Intrac Arms
International representative stressed that he is counting on a significant number of similar
business deals in the future.
Economic Affairs Minister Nenad Porges emphasized the role of the government firm RH
ALAN headed by General Vladimir Zagorec, which, with its appearances at specialized trade
fairs, showed that the Croats, their ingenuity, and even a part of their own resources, can be
utilized to make high quality products such as this one. U. S. Ambassador to Croatia William
Montgomery emphasized the importance of two-way trade between the U. S. and Croatia.
"I am pleased to be present at this signing, since it is an excellent example of two-way trade.
You are selling a first-class Croatian product in the United States. I can say that it is first-class
because I tested it myself. Moreover, I believe that this is just the beginning of an increasingly
fruitful relationship," said Montgomery. (C.W.)
http://dalmatia.net/croatia/military/croatian_pistols.htm
from Cruffler.com:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The HS2000 is made by IM Metal of Ozalj, Croatia. IM Metal is an experienced heavy machinery manufacturer.
Since the late 1980's, the firm has produced the standard Croatian military and police pistol, the Hrvatski
Samokres (literally, "Croatian Pistol") or HS. The manufacturing process is of the most modern type, making
ample use of Computer Assisted Design (CAD) and Computer Numerically Controlled (CNC) fabrication
equipment. The HS performed very well in Croatian service. Well enough that it began to acquire a following that
extended beyond the borders of Croatia. One of foreign businesses that began to express an interest in the HS
was Intrac, of Knoxville, Tennessee. Early in 1999, Intrac identified a potential market niche for a new self
loading pistol. It was believed that the the US law enforcement market was suffering a lack of a reasonably
priced, well made self-loading pistol that employed all of the most modern safety features, including a manually
operated external safety. An agreement was reached between IM Metal and Intrac by which IM Metal was to
produce a version of the HS modified to meet the needs of the US market as well as the stringent importation
standards of the Gun Control Act of 1968, and Intrac would import and distribute the gun. The resulting pistol was
the HS2000.[/quote]
also:
CROATIA WEEKLY, Zagreb, July 29, 1999
CROATIA WILL BE FIRST COUNTRY TO PRODUCE ISRAELI RIFLE
Representatives of the Israeli firm IMI (Israeli Military Industries) presented a prototype for an assault rifle called the Tavor for the first time outside of Israel
Only a few days after the news that a new type of Israeli assault rifle called the Tavor might be manufactured in Croatia, representatives of the Israeli state company
IMI (Israel Military Industries) came to Zagreb and presented their prototype for the Tavor for the first time outside of Israel.
"Croatia is truly the first country to which we brought the new rifle. Our experts have been working on its development for several years," said one IMI
representative. Before the rifle was demonstrated outdoors on a firing range, the IMI representatives held a virtual presentation of their firm and the Tavor to Croatian
army officers.
IMI was established 65 years ago, when Israel was still under British occupation, and it eventually grew into a firm which earns a half-billion dollars in sales every
year. US$ 100 million of this is earned on exports alone. In addition to their better known firearms, such as the Galil assault rifle, the Negev light machine gun, the
Jericho pistol and the now legendary Uzi submachine gun, IMI also exports artillery and tank ordnance, fighter jet missiles, tank and airplane parts, rocket engines,
artillery firing systems, electronic systems and small arms ammunition.
"In the Tavor project we went to meet the needs of our army, which had several important demands. They need an assault rifle that will perform better in combat than
previous models under various conditions: in urban warfare, in anti-tank defense," said one of the Tavor's designers.
He also noted the rifle's chief characteristics: "Precision, NATO 5.56 mm caliber, easy handling and comfort, which means the rifle will be light, short, ergonomically
designed with standard multifunctional optical sights and barrels that can fire anti-tank grenades."
"With the use of composite materials, as well as light alloys and aluminum wherever we don't have to use steel, we obtained a rifle that is 72 cm long and weighs only
2.5 kg. Under combat conditions and fully loaded, it is only 1 kg heavier, and this makes it lighter than all competing assault rifles," he concluded. The next phase
will include talks with a Croatian producer, IM-Metal of Ozalj, a firm that will be heading the project on the Croatian side. However, production of the Tavor will
encompass an entire series of Croatian firms involved in military production.
http://www.dalmatia.net/croatia/military/croatia_to_produce_israely_rifle.htm
CROATIA WEEKLY, Zagreb, October 29, 1999
CROATIAN PISTOLS FOR THE AMERICAN MARKET
The US$ 8.6 million export of Croatian pistols is the result of a project developed over the past eight years
A contract worth US$ 8.6 million for the sale of 50,000 "HS-2000" pistols made by the firm
IM Metal from Ozalj to the American company Intrac Arms International, which will further
distribute the pistols on the American market, was signed at the Croatian Defense Ministry.
"The sale of the 'HS-2000' pistol on the American market is of exceptional importance to the
Defense Ministry and to the economy in general. This project was carefully developed over
the last eight years and today's signing is the result of a coordinated effort between, above all,
IM Metal, the initiator and driving force behind the entire idea, and experts from the Defense
Ministry and the Economic Affairs Ministry, which has, with its recent support, given the
project the momentum needed to push it through," said Defense Minister Pavao Miljavac after
the signing of the contract. Miljavac added that he believes, if the whole procedure goes
according to plan, there will be new contracts in the future.
Thanks to the Croatian partners, especially RH ALAN and the U. S. Embassy, an Intrac Arms
International representative stressed that he is counting on a significant number of similar
business deals in the future.
Economic Affairs Minister Nenad Porges emphasized the role of the government firm RH
ALAN headed by General Vladimir Zagorec, which, with its appearances at specialized trade
fairs, showed that the Croats, their ingenuity, and even a part of their own resources, can be
utilized to make high quality products such as this one. U. S. Ambassador to Croatia William
Montgomery emphasized the importance of two-way trade between the U. S. and Croatia.
"I am pleased to be present at this signing, since it is an excellent example of two-way trade.
You are selling a first-class Croatian product in the United States. I can say that it is first-class
because I tested it myself. Moreover, I believe that this is just the beginning of an increasingly
fruitful relationship," said Montgomery. (C.W.)
http://dalmatia.net/croatia/military/croatian_pistols.htm