I found this at http://www.pbn.4mg.com
HR 4205: They want your M-1 carbine, your P-51, AND your manuals
(Still more treason. Let's disarm the public of ALL surplus military
equipment, even if they can PROVE they purchased it legally! It's obvious
the bad guys are very worried about the ability to "resist".
This is long but worth the read.)
This is Not a Drill: HR 4205 Could Wreck Your Life
Floyd D. Spence National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2001,
has been passed by the House and referred to the Senate. Subsequently the
Senate voted on Senator John Warner's bill and substituted the language of
H.R. 4205 and the two bills were referred to the Conference Committee.
Senate and House staffers are now working the bill for resubmission in its
final form to their respective bodies of Congress.
You won't believe it, unless you see it, so please go to the website and
read what the bill says. Not only aircraft, but all kinds of militaria,
including your M-1 carbine, are specifically subject to demilitarization
(being rendered useless) under this bill.
It's no matter that you acquired these things legitimately; even if you
have a gold-plated bill of sale from the Pentagon, signed by Colin Powell,
you may still have to surrender your airplane or memorabilia to the feds
for destruction. Even though they said you could own it the way they sold
it to you, if this passes, you can't.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:H.R.4205:1
SEC. 361. AUTHORITY TO ENSURE DEMILITARIZATION OF SIGNIFICANT MILITARY
EQUIPMENT FORMERLY OWNED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.
(a) AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE DEMILITARIZATION AFTER DISPOSAL- Chapter 153 of
title 10, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 2572
the following new section:
Sec. 2573. Significant military equipment: continued authority to require
demilitarization after disposal `(a) AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE
DEMILITARIZATION-
The Secretary of Defense may require any person in possession of
significant military equipment formerly owned by the Department of
Defense-- `(1) to demilitarize the equipment; `(2) to have the equipment
demilitarized by a third party; or `(3) to return the equipment to the
Government for demilitarization.
`
(b) COST AND VALIDATION OF DEMILITARIZATION- When the demilitarization of
significant military equipment is carried out by the person in possession
of the equipment pursuant to paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (a), the
person shall be solely responsible for all demilitarization costs, and the
United States shall have the right to validate that the equipment has been
demilitarized.
`
(c) RETURN OF EQUIPMENT TO GOVERNMENT- When the Secretary of Defense
requires the return of significant military equipment for demilitarization
by the Government, the Secretary shall bear all costs to transport and
demilitarize the equipment. If the person in possession of the significant
military equipment obtained the property in the manner authorized by law
or regulation and the Secretary determines that the cost to demilitarize and
return the property to the person is prohibitive, the Secretary shall
reimburse the person for the purchase cost of the property and for the
reasonable transportation costs incurred by the person to purchase the
equipment.
In case you were wondering what's covered, they tell you:
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p121.htm#C-III `
(f) DEFINITION OF SIGNIFICANT MILITARY EQUIPMENT- In this section, the
term `significant military equipment' means-- `(1) an article for which special
export controls are warranted under the Arms Export Control Act (22
U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) because of its capacity for substantial military
utility or capability, as identified on the United States Munitions List
maintained under section 121.1 of title 22, Code of Federal Regulations;
and `(2) any other article designated by the Department of Defense as
requiring demilitarization before its disposal.'. "" to these people?
*(a) Aircraft, including but not limited to helicopters, non-expansive
balloons, drones, and lighter-than-air aircraft, which are specifically
designed, modified, or equipped for military purposes. This includes but
is not limited ... military training. (See § 121.3.)
*(b) Military aircraft engines, except reciprocating engines, [and
spacecraft engines] specifically designed or modified for the aircraft in
paragraph (a) of this category.
*(e) Inertial navigation systems...
*(f) Developmental aircraft and components thereof...
*(g) Ground effect machines (GEMS) specifically designed or modified for
military use, including but not limited to surface effect machines and
other air cushion vehicles, and all components, parts, and accessories,
attachments, and associated equipment specifically designed or modified
for use with such machines.
[(l) Non-military aircraft inertial navigation systems, except those
systems or components that are standard equipment in civil aircraft,
including spare parts and spare units to be used exclusively for the
maintenance of inertial navigation equipment incorporated in civil aircraft
and that are certified by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) as
being an integral part of such aircraft.] You really need to take a look at
the full text to understand how sweeping this is. Even manuals are to be
demilled (forbidden):
(k) Technical Data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense
services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the
defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through (j) of this
category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data
directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles
enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant
Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME. Section D allows
the Secretary of Defense to determine Demil standards based on the Arms
Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751).
Section 2573 would be inserted into the already existing International
Traffic in Arms Regulations, Part 121- The United States Munitions
List. This would allow the International rules to be applied domestically
without due process.
Firearms, aircraft, boats, and military vehicles are all considered
significant equipment. There are some aircraft exceptions that are
specifically listed as exempt but it is a small portion of the
potentially-affected flying Warbird fleet.
There appears to be a complete disregard for personal property rights where
this new legislation is concerned. The Secretary, under this new section,
can order the destruction of any lawfully obtained surplus military
equipment at his or his appointee's discretion.
Reducing an operable piece of equipment or flightworthy aircraft to a
static example is tantamount to destroying it. Its inherent value as an
operable piece of machinery is reduced to fraction of what it was. The
lawful owners of this equipment will not be compensated for their loss.
The forced demilling of legally obtained military firearms is a violation
of the 2nd Amendment, and flies in the face of Constitutionally-protected
property and contract rights. Additionally, this post-sale backpedaling by
the DoD constitutes ex-post-facto lawmaking, specifically forbidden by the
Constitution. The historical loss is incalculable.
There is no time limit. ANY listed significant former DoD equipment falls
under this new regulation. It has been reported that historical operating
Army vehicles have been ordered to be demilled to the point of cutting
holes and making them completely inoperable. The museums that were
entrusted with their care were subsequently billed for the compliance
team's expenses.
Section 362 requires a report be filed annually that covers all sales on
the United States Munitions List. This report shall include the following
for each sale:
(a) date of sale (b) military dept. conducting the sale (c) manner in
which sale was conducted (d) military items described in subsection (a)
that were sold (e) purchaser of each item (f) stated end use of each item
This provision would allow the Secretary to track items sold and to
retroactively require demilling after the sale was complete. [This would
be a great way for the DoD to have its cake and eat it, too: charging
people for the goods, and then requiring their effective destruction --ed.]
With the inclusion of Sec.361/362 in the final Defense Authorization Bill,
the privately held, legally obtained, former DoD equipment is in jeopardy.
The bill is now in committee and these sections must be removed from the
final draft.
If these are your people, call them, today! If they are from your state,
call them! If you have a US Representative or Senator that knows them,
call your elected public servant!
House conference committee members: Spence, Stump, Hunter, Kasich, Bateman,
Hansen, Weldon, Hefley, Saxton, Buyer, Fowler, McHugh, Talen, Everett,
Bartlett, McKeon, J.C.Watts, Thornberry, Hostettler, Skelton, Sisisky,
Spratt, Ortiz, Pickett, Evans, Taylor, Abercrombie, Meehan, Underwood,
Allen, Snyder, Maloney(CT), McIntyre, Tauscher, Thompson(CA).
Senate Armed Services Committee members: Warner, Smith (NH), Hollings,
McCain, Inhofe, Santorum, Snowe, Roberts, Allard, Hutchinson, Sessions,
Levin, Kennedy, Bingaman, Byrd, Robb, Lieberman, Cleland, Landrieu, Reed.
"""" --ed]
Take a look at what's affected:
International Traffic In Arms Regulations - PART 121-THE UNITED STATES
MUNITIONS LIST
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p121.htm#C-III
Take a look at the bill itself:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:H.R.4205:
Call your Congresscritters at one of the following numbers and demand that
they vote down HR 4205 as it is presently written.
US Congressional Switchboard Toll-free Numbers
1-800-241-7109
1-877-778-9001
1-800-648-3516
1-877-762-8762
1-800-972-3524
1-800-722-7494
1-800-456-1414
1-800-505-0145
HR 4205: They want your M-1 carbine, your P-51, AND your manuals
(Still more treason. Let's disarm the public of ALL surplus military
equipment, even if they can PROVE they purchased it legally! It's obvious
the bad guys are very worried about the ability to "resist".
This is long but worth the read.)
This is Not a Drill: HR 4205 Could Wreck Your Life
Floyd D. Spence National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2001,
has been passed by the House and referred to the Senate. Subsequently the
Senate voted on Senator John Warner's bill and substituted the language of
H.R. 4205 and the two bills were referred to the Conference Committee.
Senate and House staffers are now working the bill for resubmission in its
final form to their respective bodies of Congress.
You won't believe it, unless you see it, so please go to the website and
read what the bill says. Not only aircraft, but all kinds of militaria,
including your M-1 carbine, are specifically subject to demilitarization
(being rendered useless) under this bill.
It's no matter that you acquired these things legitimately; even if you
have a gold-plated bill of sale from the Pentagon, signed by Colin Powell,
you may still have to surrender your airplane or memorabilia to the feds
for destruction. Even though they said you could own it the way they sold
it to you, if this passes, you can't.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:H.R.4205:1
SEC. 361. AUTHORITY TO ENSURE DEMILITARIZATION OF SIGNIFICANT MILITARY
EQUIPMENT FORMERLY OWNED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.
(a) AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE DEMILITARIZATION AFTER DISPOSAL- Chapter 153 of
title 10, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 2572
the following new section:
Sec. 2573. Significant military equipment: continued authority to require
demilitarization after disposal `(a) AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE
DEMILITARIZATION-
The Secretary of Defense may require any person in possession of
significant military equipment formerly owned by the Department of
Defense-- `(1) to demilitarize the equipment; `(2) to have the equipment
demilitarized by a third party; or `(3) to return the equipment to the
Government for demilitarization.
`
(b) COST AND VALIDATION OF DEMILITARIZATION- When the demilitarization of
significant military equipment is carried out by the person in possession
of the equipment pursuant to paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (a), the
person shall be solely responsible for all demilitarization costs, and the
United States shall have the right to validate that the equipment has been
demilitarized.
`
(c) RETURN OF EQUIPMENT TO GOVERNMENT- When the Secretary of Defense
requires the return of significant military equipment for demilitarization
by the Government, the Secretary shall bear all costs to transport and
demilitarize the equipment. If the person in possession of the significant
military equipment obtained the property in the manner authorized by law
or regulation and the Secretary determines that the cost to demilitarize and
return the property to the person is prohibitive, the Secretary shall
reimburse the person for the purchase cost of the property and for the
reasonable transportation costs incurred by the person to purchase the
equipment.
In case you were wondering what's covered, they tell you:
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p121.htm#C-III `
(f) DEFINITION OF SIGNIFICANT MILITARY EQUIPMENT- In this section, the
term `significant military equipment' means-- `(1) an article for which special
export controls are warranted under the Arms Export Control Act (22
U.S.C. 2751 et seq.) because of its capacity for substantial military
utility or capability, as identified on the United States Munitions List
maintained under section 121.1 of title 22, Code of Federal Regulations;
and `(2) any other article designated by the Department of Defense as
requiring demilitarization before its disposal.'. "" to these people?
*(a) Aircraft, including but not limited to helicopters, non-expansive
balloons, drones, and lighter-than-air aircraft, which are specifically
designed, modified, or equipped for military purposes. This includes but
is not limited ... military training. (See § 121.3.)
*(b) Military aircraft engines, except reciprocating engines, [and
spacecraft engines] specifically designed or modified for the aircraft in
paragraph (a) of this category.
*(e) Inertial navigation systems...
*(f) Developmental aircraft and components thereof...
*(g) Ground effect machines (GEMS) specifically designed or modified for
military use, including but not limited to surface effect machines and
other air cushion vehicles, and all components, parts, and accessories,
attachments, and associated equipment specifically designed or modified
for use with such machines.
[(l) Non-military aircraft inertial navigation systems, except those
systems or components that are standard equipment in civil aircraft,
including spare parts and spare units to be used exclusively for the
maintenance of inertial navigation equipment incorporated in civil aircraft
and that are certified by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) as
being an integral part of such aircraft.] You really need to take a look at
the full text to understand how sweeping this is. Even manuals are to be
demilled (forbidden):
(k) Technical Data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense
services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the
defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through (j) of this
category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data
directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles
enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant
Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME. Section D allows
the Secretary of Defense to determine Demil standards based on the Arms
Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751).
Section 2573 would be inserted into the already existing International
Traffic in Arms Regulations, Part 121- The United States Munitions
List. This would allow the International rules to be applied domestically
without due process.
Firearms, aircraft, boats, and military vehicles are all considered
significant equipment. There are some aircraft exceptions that are
specifically listed as exempt but it is a small portion of the
potentially-affected flying Warbird fleet.
There appears to be a complete disregard for personal property rights where
this new legislation is concerned. The Secretary, under this new section,
can order the destruction of any lawfully obtained surplus military
equipment at his or his appointee's discretion.
Reducing an operable piece of equipment or flightworthy aircraft to a
static example is tantamount to destroying it. Its inherent value as an
operable piece of machinery is reduced to fraction of what it was. The
lawful owners of this equipment will not be compensated for their loss.
The forced demilling of legally obtained military firearms is a violation
of the 2nd Amendment, and flies in the face of Constitutionally-protected
property and contract rights. Additionally, this post-sale backpedaling by
the DoD constitutes ex-post-facto lawmaking, specifically forbidden by the
Constitution. The historical loss is incalculable.
There is no time limit. ANY listed significant former DoD equipment falls
under this new regulation. It has been reported that historical operating
Army vehicles have been ordered to be demilled to the point of cutting
holes and making them completely inoperable. The museums that were
entrusted with their care were subsequently billed for the compliance
team's expenses.
Section 362 requires a report be filed annually that covers all sales on
the United States Munitions List. This report shall include the following
for each sale:
(a) date of sale (b) military dept. conducting the sale (c) manner in
which sale was conducted (d) military items described in subsection (a)
that were sold (e) purchaser of each item (f) stated end use of each item
This provision would allow the Secretary to track items sold and to
retroactively require demilling after the sale was complete. [This would
be a great way for the DoD to have its cake and eat it, too: charging
people for the goods, and then requiring their effective destruction --ed.]
With the inclusion of Sec.361/362 in the final Defense Authorization Bill,
the privately held, legally obtained, former DoD equipment is in jeopardy.
The bill is now in committee and these sections must be removed from the
final draft.
If these are your people, call them, today! If they are from your state,
call them! If you have a US Representative or Senator that knows them,
call your elected public servant!
House conference committee members: Spence, Stump, Hunter, Kasich, Bateman,
Hansen, Weldon, Hefley, Saxton, Buyer, Fowler, McHugh, Talen, Everett,
Bartlett, McKeon, J.C.Watts, Thornberry, Hostettler, Skelton, Sisisky,
Spratt, Ortiz, Pickett, Evans, Taylor, Abercrombie, Meehan, Underwood,
Allen, Snyder, Maloney(CT), McIntyre, Tauscher, Thompson(CA).
Senate Armed Services Committee members: Warner, Smith (NH), Hollings,
McCain, Inhofe, Santorum, Snowe, Roberts, Allard, Hutchinson, Sessions,
Levin, Kennedy, Bingaman, Byrd, Robb, Lieberman, Cleland, Landrieu, Reed.
"""" --ed]
Take a look at what's affected:
International Traffic In Arms Regulations - PART 121-THE UNITED STATES
MUNITIONS LIST
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p121.htm#C-III
Take a look at the bill itself:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c106:H.R.4205:
Call your Congresscritters at one of the following numbers and demand that
they vote down HR 4205 as it is presently written.
US Congressional Switchboard Toll-free Numbers
1-800-241-7109
1-877-778-9001
1-800-648-3516
1-877-762-8762
1-800-972-3524
1-800-722-7494
1-800-456-1414
1-800-505-0145
Better yet where do these morons come from period 
