Allen_Raiford
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Would a Bush Justice Department still argue that the 2nd Amend. does not protect an individual right to arms?
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How would a Bush presidency affect the Emmerson case?
- Thread starter Allen_Raiford
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Whoever Bush appoints as Attorney General is likely to be much more 2nd Amendment friendly than Janet Reno. However, I suspect the new A.G. will have his hands full both cleaning out the Clinton hacks and then launching investigations into Janet Reno's role in the Waco coverup.
If Emerson is upheld on 2nd Amendment grounds and is appealed to the Supreme Court (two things still up in the air), then one would hope a pro-gun administration would drop the State's Right argument since most legal scholars disagree with that view. After all, its quite an exercise in Newspeak to twist the definition of "The People" to mean "The State", but only in the 2nd Amendment. I guess Bush will have a chance fairly quickly to prove how much of a friend to the gun owner he is.
If Emerson is upheld on 2nd Amendment grounds and is appealed to the Supreme Court (two things still up in the air), then one would hope a pro-gun administration would drop the State's Right argument since most legal scholars disagree with that view. After all, its quite an exercise in Newspeak to twist the definition of "The People" to mean "The State", but only in the 2nd Amendment. I guess Bush will have a chance fairly quickly to prove how much of a friend to the gun owner he is.
I've been wondering about that one myself. IF GWB gets the office, then it may be in our best interest. IF Bore gets it, then the emerson case is going to bite us in the backside. The current administration states that the 2nd IS NOT an individual right. If Bore gets in, and appoints his type of justices, then the 2nd will be "reworded" to their (governments) current definition and then there will be NOTHING to stop registration, confuscation, etc.. EO's will be issued on a grand basis and with our current Congress (having NOT vetoed or struck down ANY EO's that klinton has issued) will do nothing about it.
One thing to think about (you know, make plans for the best situation and for the worse) is civil disobedience. Like they are doing in Canada, where even the police are starting to change their minds about that money eating database. Of course, Canada doesn't have the BATF, FBI, IRS, SS, INS, etc.. on hand to beat down the doors of ordinarily law abiding citizens and shoot them on sight.
If things do go this way, we are going to find out who has fortitude and who doesn't. They will go with the scare tactic of killing a few of us to make the others comply.
USP45usp
One thing to think about (you know, make plans for the best situation and for the worse) is civil disobedience. Like they are doing in Canada, where even the police are starting to change their minds about that money eating database. Of course, Canada doesn't have the BATF, FBI, IRS, SS, INS, etc.. on hand to beat down the doors of ordinarily law abiding citizens and shoot them on sight.
If things do go this way, we are going to find out who has fortitude and who doesn't. They will go with the scare tactic of killing a few of us to make the others comply.
USP45usp
If our abillity to defend our lives in what manner when and with what is subject to whose in power 'over us' is it truly a right
sounds much more like a priviledge to me.
Im all with USP.WE are flea's to the feds and they will step on us when nessecary.
Why do you think they send some 12 to 20 atf agents in anytime they do anything its not in fear of whose in the house its to discourage all of the surrounding area's from interfering.
I think its high time the people start shooting back at the real criminals.
All of you hooked on whose appointed as justices are pulling your own legs off.
Look at your congressmen we have NRA endorsed senators voting for guncontrol every year what have you done about that?
What can you.
IF the most drastic thing were prepared to do for our freedom is vote differently then weve already lost.
What president was in power when ruby ridge happened?
Didnt make much difference did it?
If Gw ever speaks of Waco hell likely say it was terrible and it should not happen again and that will be it their wont be any huge investigations or any indightments of the people that were really behind it.
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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
sounds much more like a priviledge to me.
Im all with USP.WE are flea's to the feds and they will step on us when nessecary.
Why do you think they send some 12 to 20 atf agents in anytime they do anything its not in fear of whose in the house its to discourage all of the surrounding area's from interfering.
I think its high time the people start shooting back at the real criminals.
All of you hooked on whose appointed as justices are pulling your own legs off.
Look at your congressmen we have NRA endorsed senators voting for guncontrol every year what have you done about that?
What can you.
IF the most drastic thing were prepared to do for our freedom is vote differently then weve already lost.
What president was in power when ruby ridge happened?
Didnt make much difference did it?
If Gw ever speaks of Waco hell likely say it was terrible and it should not happen again and that will be it their wont be any huge investigations or any indightments of the people that were really behind it.
www.ccops.org www.jbs.org
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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
mzanghetti
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Would a Bush administration still argue that the 2nd applies only to states rights?
I would hope that he would immediately instruct the AG and DOJ to stop prosecuting this case and the Bob Stewart case as well. If he is truly pro-2nd then he will not want to risk some clinton hack setting some totured legal logic as a anti individual right precedent.
I would hope that he would immediately instruct the AG and DOJ to stop prosecuting this case and the Bob Stewart case as well. If he is truly pro-2nd then he will not want to risk some clinton hack setting some totured legal logic as a anti individual right precedent.
This guy might not be able to chew gum and read the Bill of Rights at the same time. He doesn't know who he is, or what he believes in. I am looking for a leader and not a me too. I hope he pulls his head out of his poll before he doesn't have a chance to have any influence. Eight more years of Clinton-Gore is looking possible. What can you expect from a party that nominates Bob Dole? I wish Bush a full recovery and I hope he grows some stones.
oberkommando
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Well if the worst happens it will be interesting reading what the disenting judges write Thomas and Scalia, maybe a recomendation for massive unrest but i doubt it would be that good. If memory serves me correct it took the civil war to turn over dred scott. Who knows, the politicos should be carefull what they do, if they do it too fast it could be hazardous to ones health.
I think the pot needs to BOIL. A Gore Presidency and Democrat Congress will help us more than Bush. I know it sounds crazy, but Bush will lull alot of people into complacency and enact more gun control and other anti-freedom laws. It's time for them to go - all of them!
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In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas