cuerno de chivo
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I've heard that a Ruger DA can "malfunction" if you fire them too fast. Something about the trigger return being slow or the way the action is designed.
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How true of Rugers is this?
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Robert Foote
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Not true.
44rugerfan
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Nope.
Depends on what you call a malfunction...
Comparing my Security Six to my wife's *&* 640, the Ruger's trigger has to return further forward before the action resets. If you try to pull the trigger before the action completely resets, the trigger will not move rearward. If that's a malfunction, then I guess they do. I would call it operator error, though.
Just my $.02
Comparing my Security Six to my wife's *&* 640, the Ruger's trigger has to return further forward before the action resets. If you try to pull the trigger before the action completely resets, the trigger will not move rearward. If that's a malfunction, then I guess they do. I would call it operator error, though.
Just my $.02
parachuterigger
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The only "malfunction" I am aware of is short stroking the trigger. If the trigger doesn't return to its forward position, it won't reset. But, as stated before, this is operator error, not a malfunction.
Dean Speir
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cuerno de chivo asks:
I first identified it on an early SP101 I was T&E'ing for Combat Handguns… not having a great deal of experience with Sturm, Ruger wheelguns, I thought it was perhaps anomalous until I spoke with several well-known 'smiths, one of whom offers a popular "street" conversion on the Models SP101. It was explained to me that this was endeminc to the Ruger DA/SA revolver triggers… I don't know if it also applies to their DAO revolvers.
Specifically, performing what the guys at Petersen's used to refer to as "fast, double action work" (usually "at seven yards"), there is a point at which the shooter can cause the trigger to "lock-up" hard. And another point where the sucker will actually "free-wheel." Both conditions are recovered from by the simple expedient of releasing the trigger and re-stroking.
Is is, as parachuterigger and whitebear suggest, "operator error?"
Absolutely!
But one I wouldn't want any part of in a PDA such as the otherwise excellent SP101… in my decades of shooting, I've fired a whole lot more S&W and Colt's DA/SA revolvers than Rugers, and have never experienced such a condition. (And not for nuthin', but I competed in sandpit combat matches throughout the '80s with an S&W Model 686, and regularly used to take out six steel plates in under three seconds… 'tain't Jerry Miculek speed by any means, but it's definitely "fast, double action work.")
The upshot is that the mono-syllabic responses of Mr. Foote and 44rugerfan are inaccurate, probably because it hasn't happened to them… yet.
Assuming that you're speaking of a Ruger DA/SA revolver, this is one of the few "I heard" pieces of information around, the terse responds of 44rugerfan and Robert Foote withstanding.
I first identified it on an early SP101 I was T&E'ing for Combat Handguns… not having a great deal of experience with Sturm, Ruger wheelguns, I thought it was perhaps anomalous until I spoke with several well-known 'smiths, one of whom offers a popular "street" conversion on the Models SP101. It was explained to me that this was endeminc to the Ruger DA/SA revolver triggers… I don't know if it also applies to their DAO revolvers.
Specifically, performing what the guys at Petersen's used to refer to as "fast, double action work" (usually "at seven yards"), there is a point at which the shooter can cause the trigger to "lock-up" hard. And another point where the sucker will actually "free-wheel." Both conditions are recovered from by the simple expedient of releasing the trigger and re-stroking.
Is is, as parachuterigger and whitebear suggest, "operator error?"
Absolutely!
But one I wouldn't want any part of in a PDA such as the otherwise excellent SP101… in my decades of shooting, I've fired a whole lot more S&W and Colt's DA/SA revolvers than Rugers, and have never experienced such a condition. (And not for nuthin', but I competed in sandpit combat matches throughout the '80s with an S&W Model 686, and regularly used to take out six steel plates in under three seconds… 'tain't Jerry Miculek speed by any means, but it's definitely "fast, double action work.")
The upshot is that the mono-syllabic responses of Mr. Foote and 44rugerfan are inaccurate, probably because it hasn't happened to them… yet.
'Sounds to me like this is simply what happens when one fails to fully release the trigger after firing.
'Nothing wrong with the gun. In which case parachuterigger and 44rugerfan are absolutely correct. The "operater error" of failing to fully release the trigger between shots is not a "malfunction" on the part of the gun, IMHO. By simply fully releasing the trigger the gun is ready for the next shot, so the operater error can be instantly corrected by the operator.
juliet charley
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Contrary to what has been said it is not just Ruger. My S&W M27 (S-series, 69 vintage) is prone to "short stroking."
It is a well-known aspect of particularly the SP-101. The practice is of course to adjust to it and not short stroke your trigger. If it absolutely, totally drives you bonkers, you can switch to a stronger trigger return spring (which will not prevent short stroking, but merely make it harder to do). The cost is a heavier trigger pull. I've had two SP-101s and two 640s--the SPs have had a far better DA trigger pull than either 640. I'd rather practice not short stroking the trigger.
It is a well-known aspect of particularly the SP-101. The practice is of course to adjust to it and not short stroke your trigger. If it absolutely, totally drives you bonkers, you can switch to a stronger trigger return spring (which will not prevent short stroking, but merely make it harder to do). The cost is a heavier trigger pull. I've had two SP-101s and two 640s--the SPs have had a far better DA trigger pull than either 640. I'd rather practice not short stroking the trigger.
