How to think about the Magnum calibers

Theophilus

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Simple question - since a .22 magnum is, well, .22, and a .44 magnum is.44 - is it fair to think of the .44 as being twice as powerful as a .22? Or are there factors other than simple diameters involved?
Of more interest to me - since the .327 magnum is about .33, would that mean it has 50% more punch than a .22 magnum?
 
Definitely

There are other factors.. The diameter is just that the diameter... The pressures the cartridge is loaded at have a lot more to do with power..
 
I generally think of "power" in terms of momentum. Multiply the bullet weight (grains) by the velocity (feet per second) to get an idea as to relative power.
.22 40grs @ 1150fps = 46,000
.327 100 @ 1400fps = 140,000
.44 240grs @ 1250fps = 300,000
So, .44 Magnum is approximately seven times "more powerful" than .22 rimfire.
 
Heres a comparison from .327 mag to 22 mag

.327 mag
* American Eagle 100 grain SP - MV 1400 fps, ME 435 ft. lbs.
* Speer 115 grain Gold Dot JHP - MV 1300 fps, ME 431 ft. lbs.

22 mag
From the 6.5" barrel of a revolver the velocity is 1400 fps with an energy of 174 ft. lbs.

If you compare the foot lbs of both you will see the 22mag doesn't even have half the power of a .327..Also the 22 was shot from a 6.5 inch barrel and the .327 from a 4 inch.. So the energy would drop even further if the barrel lengths were the same..

The 22 mag has no where near half the power/energy of a 44 mag..
 
In addition to the mass and velocity issues already discussed the size of the hole a bullet makes can be an indication of its effectiveness. Taking away hollow points and tumbling, etc. the diameter is not an effective measure of hole size but rather the surface area (sq, in.). When surface area is calculated you will find that the .44 is roughly 4 times the surface area of a 22.
 
The basis if your question is pretty much....well....baseless.
The term 'magnum' means a big bottle of champagne.
It was adopted as a caliber designation for marketing purposes only. It has a real 'macho' conotation to it.
So, the answer is: No.
 
Got it. No, I didn't ask just for personal amusement; sure, if I took the time to research ballistics I might find an answer - but I figured the experts on here could break it down more specifically for me (i.e., actually compare the .22 with the .327). I searched the forums to no avail. Trust me, you guys are saving some of us from walking into gun shops with dumb questions.
 
"Reminds me of the question, why is there air?"

ahhh.... EARLY Bill Cosby.. ok, I'm showin my age. :rolleyes:

but, to your original question...... no.
There is NO linearity to caliber and "power", or "knock-down-power". There are some .30caliber cartridges that are dramatically more "powerful" than a .44mag handgun cartridge. Velocity plus bullet weight plus diameter... they all add into the "power" of a cartridge.

The Taylor formula for determining approximate effect of cartridges on large game animals is probably as good as any. Better than nearly all others.
 
Terms like "power" and "punch" are really very ambiguous when it comes to terminal ballistics. Terms like "kinetic energy" and "momentum" are much more specific and easier to quantify. "Power" is most commonly quantified through kinetic energy which is calculated by multiplying the mass of the bullet (usually in grains) by the square of the bullet's velocity (usually in feet per second). Kinetic energy is usually expressed in foot-pounds. To answer your original question, a 40grn .22 Magnum bullet traveling at 1400fps will generate 174 ft.lbs of kinetic energy while a 240grn .44 Magnum bullet traveling at 1180fps will generate 741ft.lbs.

Trying to predict the terminal effects of a given bullet, however, is much trickier as kinetic energy, bullet expansion/deformation/fragmentation, penetration, trajectory, shot placement, and target all play into the equation.
 
Simple question - since a .22 magnum is, well, .22, and a .44 magnum is.44 - is it fair to think of the .44 as being twice as powerful as a .22? Or are there factors other than simple diameters involved?
Of more interest to me - since the .327 magnum is about .33, would that mean it has 50% more punch than a .22 magnum?


Yeah, that's it. There are no other factors like bullet weight, expanded diameter, velocity, coefficient of drag, etc etc etc.:rolleyes:
 
The .454 Casull doesn't even have the "magnum" name, yet it's quite a bit more powerful than the .44 magnum.

So I wonder, if we called it the .454 Casull magnum, would it have more power? :D

It's just a word that doesn't have much meaning when attached to a cartridge.

Daryl
 
It's just a word that doesn't have much meaning when attached to a cartridge.

most magnums started as "a" caliber",then someone increased the size of the original cartridge in order to increase "power"....and then became a magnum.
the .41 magnum is one of the odd balls, that did'nt come from a shorter case.
 
The term "magnum" in firearms usage came about in 1912 from the firm of Holland & Holland, when they introduced their .375 H&H Magnum rifle cartridge.

Taking the word from the French champaigne industry, where magnum meant a larger than standard size bottle, they applied it to the name of their new round. Over the years, it has retained its general connotation of "larger than standard case" inferring more power, and higher velocity because the "magnum" holds more powder (and is commonly loaded to higher pressures) than the "standard" case.

Magnum is a marketing term, with no specifically defined meaning, only a general one. And, how much more than "standard" a magnum is depends on what one uses for the standard.

Some magnum rounds are direct developements of previous cartridges, others are not.

There is no linear, or even consistant relationship between the energy & velocity (power) of cartridges based on caliber (bullet diameter). One has to look at each one individually, and consider the size of the case (amount of powder) and the pressure it is loaded to, along with the size & weight of the bullet.

There are many examples of some cartridges with smaller bullets, having greater energy than some with bigger bullets, it depends on the speed the bullet is fired at. For example, a .357 Magnum has more energy than a .45ACP, because the .357, while firing a smaller, lighter bullet than the .45 is firing it much faster.

And, as to "why is there air?" The simple answer is "so we don't exhale ourselves to death!":D
 
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