How to enter into the world of Gunsmithing?

Hello everyone here at TFL! As the title suggests, I am looking to pursue my dream of diving into the gunsmithing occupation. I'm quite young, 19 to be precise, and I understand it would take a significant amount of time to actually ingrain myself into the actual field. However, I do have a significant amount of experience as a machinist for my age. For the last two years I've been taking a precision machining class through my high school and I worked at an orthopedic shop up in Warsaw, IN throughout my senior year of high school. For the next two years I will be going to college for Machine Tool Technology, because what's the point of trying to be a gunsmith that can't cut straight. :) I apologize for putting half my life experience here and being a boring read, but I would value any/all suggestions the significantly more experienced members of TFL could bring to me. I understand most of the negatives that go with being a gunsmith and the crap that one has to deal with, but I'm very stubborn and am willing to deal with all that junk that comes with the field. Thanks again! :)
 
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I'm not a gunsmith first off, but welcome to TFL. I think with a good attitude like that you could do anything. Don't let anyone shoot you down bud. I've seen it happen before. Good luck.
 
Thanks HungryHunter :) I appreciate your kind words and advice, it means a lot to a young guy like me. :) I understand the risks that this field presents and I fully expect a large amount of discouragement and warnings, so your kind words are greatly accepted and appreciated. :)
 
Absolutely bud. I've quite a weird resume myself and I've been quite a few things everyone told me I couldn't be so I've been I your shoes. If you decide to do it just hook me up with a trigger job, or some night sights or something. :D
 
There are non-commercial gunsmithing schools. Susanville CA and Trinidad CO are well thought of by the (very few) working gunsmiths I asked when friend was considering that path. A serious problem with both is that they are rural and jobs, rarely easy for college students to get, are scarce. Worth checking out and conducting a search for others.

Edit to add: Don't neglect the business classes. Even the best gunsmith will go under if the business is mismanaged.
 
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I've heard of Trinidad before, but not Susanville. One I have looked at was Pennsylvania Gunsmithing School, simply because it was closer. Also, rural isn't a big deal for me, as I've lived in a college town of 6,000 people, including the college, my whole life. :) Another thing I was considering was contacting local gun shops and seeing if the gunsmith there would allow me to job shadow/intern/apprentice or something of the sort. Has anyone heard of a shop near you doing something similar? And to HungryHunter, if I get to that point, of course I'd hook you up :D
 
Welcome Range!
You might look up and PM "Dixie Gunsmith", he's on this board and has a lot of experience.
 
Reviewing how the various guns work will help.
What the parts do and how they interact will help diagnose problems.
Ya' can't fix 'em without knowing exactly how they function.
This can be done on your own, even before going to school.
 
I completely understand that, however, I haven't had the good luck, opportunity, or money to explore with my hands anything more than the 2 rifles and 1 shotgun I personally own here. That's why I am greatly hoping I can get a shop around here to take me under their gracious wings temporarily.
 
A machinist

Great you have a vision for your happiness at such a young age. Good for you.

I would ask one question and that is, 'Have you looked at what income you will command as a gunsmith and is that adequate"?

If so, proceed and, no doubt you will find the path that leads to you to your dream job and don't look back.


( Just understand that that in the next few years, changes are likely to take place and those changes usually involve lots of money . When we find that significant other, it tends to suck money right out of the bank account) :)

A machinist certification in your back pocket is good to have and does give you great understanding of tapping, cutting threads etc. And it's always good to have that as a back up plan or a stepping stone to your goal.


So, at age 19, chase your dreams- you will get there if you stay focused.
 
Thank you L2R, that's a great question that I really haven't answered yet. In relation to my significant other, my woman of 2.5+ years is currently in school to become a marine biologist. We've both seen the tuition bills, and we've already come to the obvious conclusion of very large amounts of debt from that. I'm enrolled in Ivy Tech currently, so all the money owed for my entire schooling for the next two years is less than one of her semesters alone! Much debt is in our future, which is why I'm building the machine trades background now, so we've always got a solid rock to fall back on. But in terms of what a gunsmith makes, I have no clue at all. I have previously assumed it was similar to how a job shop functioned, where the money made was greatly situational.
 
Do a search on this forum and you'll find a lot of posts about becoming a gunsmith.
HINT: Go to a real gunsmithing school.

I've posted this, or variations of it several times..........

I was a professional watchmaker and gunsmith. Here's some pointers:

Forget apprenticing.
Very few gunsmiths will take on an apprentice these days, and in order to have any value in the trade, the gunsmith who teaches you has to have a well known reputation in the industry as a gunsmith and as a teacher.
Since most gunsmiths have no real reputation outside of a few miles, a recommendation from them is worthless when applying for a job.
It can take years to learn as an apprentice and in most cases you won't be paid.

Forget the internet and mail order "schools". At the very best they can give you just enough knowledge to do hobby work on your OWN guns.
They cannot prepare you to do professional work on other peoples guns.
What they do best is take money from your wallet.
Apply for a job with a "diploma" or "certificate" from one of these places and you'll be lucky they don't laugh in your face as they pitch your resume in the trash.

You can't really learn a complicated, intricate trade this way.
Look at it like this; if you owned a very expensive sports car you routinely drove at extremely high speeds, would you allow a mechanic to work on it who learned his trade on the internet or by mail?

The way to learn the trade is in a top school.
You'll have a pro Master gunsmith/teacher looking at your work and telling you you're doing it right or wrong, and how to do it faster/better.
The schools with the best reputation in the industry for turning out top students are Colorado School of Trades and Trinidad Junior College.
Some of the other schools are also good.

As much as possible, get close to the teachers. There's a LOT more they can show you if they know you're interested and not the typical student.

TAKE SOME BUSINESS CLASSES.
A great many people fail at trade businesses because they know nothing about running a business.
Remember, you will not be a gunsmith......you'll be a businessman who happens to run a gunsmithing business.
A large part of your day will be spent doing businessman functions like filling out paper work for the government, doing tax work, ordering parts and equipment, talking to prospective customers, being talked AT by dissatisfied customers, and spending only a limited amount of time actually doing gunsmithing.
Always remember, over 50% of all businesses fail, NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE OR WHO'S RUNNING THEM. This is just normal business attrition. Not knowing about how to operate a business guarantees you'll fail.

The smart move is to work for another company or store that offers gunsmithing for a few years.
While you spend eight hours doing actual gun work and really learning the trade, the owner will do the businessman functions.
This will allow you really learn the trade, which the school will only get you started on. It will allow you to build up a reputation in the trade and build a prospective customer base.
You can take time to identify a good area to open your own shop, and you can buy the VERY expensive tools and equipment over a period of time.
It will also allow you to save enough money to tide you over the starvation period new trade shops go through.
In most cases, for at least the first year you'll spend a lot of time just sitting there waiting for some work to come in. Meantime, the bills keep coming in and you can get awfully hungry.
Too many new trade shops starve out from lack of income, before they can get an established customer inflow.

After you've learned how to do good gunsmithing FAST, bought the equipment, have a reputation in the trade, found a good place to open up, and have some customer base established, then you can take the risk of opening your own shop.
And it's ALWAYS a risk. Remember the more than 50% failure rate for all businesses.

As for salary, there's an old joke:
"How's a large pizza and a gunsmith alike....... Neither can feed a family of four".
The only gunsmiths who make much money are those like Bill Wilson who own big shops employing a number of gunsmiths.
When you take into account the hours spent doing businessman functions and actual gunsmithing the average self-employed gunsmith is lucky to be making minimum wage......This is NOT a joke.
The only gunsmiths who make good money and benefits are those who work for someone else, preferably in a big shop like a Wilson's.
A self-employed gunsmith has to be a person who can get personal satisfaction from the work, and can be content with not making a lot of money, not having the nice car, the nice house, the nice vacations, the nice Rolex, etc.

On the skills part of gunsmithing, you have to be one of those odd people who get satisfaction from constantly trying to do a job better, and always thinking you could have done a better job.
People who are the type who think "It's good enough" usually fail.
A lot of people want to be good watchmakers or gunsmiths, but not everyone has the talent. The school will, one way or another let you know if you're cut out for the trade or not.
This may be a blunt statement from an instructor, it may be hints that your work isn't up to standard, or it may be in bad grades.
Realizing you're not cut out for the trade depends on how well you listen to them and whether you're willing to admit it to yourself.
An amazing number of people in these technical schools simply refuse to accept it. In that case, your time and large amount of money will be a total waste.

We NEED good gunsmiths, and the trade is a satisfying one on a personal level.
If you're serious, squeeze everything you can out of the school, take the business courses even if you have to do night school at a community college, and don't jump into opening your own shop until you're fully prepared.

About a year before you're due to graduate, start looking for a job. Most of the schools will help in job hunting, but it's largely up to you.
The day you graduate you should at least one FIRM job offer, and at least several strong possibilities.
The fools and boobs will wait for graduation to start looking.

There are a surprising number of sources for jobs beside gun shops. Many of the big custom shops like Wilson are often looking, Cabela's and other big retailers often need people, gun companies often are looking for GOOD people, some industries and companies you might not expect employ gunsmiths in research and government contract work.
Most police departments don't employ gunsmiths. They send cops to gun company armorers courses to be parts replacers. Unless you're a cop, most won't accept an application, but a few do, so it can't hurt to check.
The government and military do employ gunsmiths but these are only very top, experienced people, and usually ex-military people.

Here's the American gunsmithing schools. Some, like Colorado School of Trades and Trinidad Junior College have better reputations than some others.

Colorado School of Trades
1575 Hoyt Street
Lakewood, CO 80215
Phone: 800-234-4594

Lassen Community College
P.O. Box 3000
Susanville, CA 96130
Phone: 530-257-4211

Modern Gun School
80 North Main Street, P.O. Box 846
St. Albans, VT 05478
Phone: 800-493-4114

Montgomery Community College
1011 Page Street
P.O. Box 787
Troy, NC 27371
Phone: 800-839-6222

Murray State College
One Murray Campus
Tishomingo, OK 73460
Phone: 580-371-2371

Pennsylvania Gunsmith School
812 Ohio River Blvd.
Avalon
Pittsburgh, PA 15202
Phone: 412-766-1812

Piedmont Community College
1715 College Drive
P.O. Box 1197
Roxboro, NC 27573
Phone: 336-599-1181

Pine Technical Institute
900 4th Street
Pine City, MN 55063
Phone: 800-521-7463

Trinidad State Jr. College
600 Prospect
Trinidad, CO 81082
Phone: 800-621-8752

Yavapai College
1100 East Sheldon Street
Prescott, AZ 86301
Phone: 520-776-2150
 
First, learn all you can about the use of machine tools (milling machines, lathes, surface grinders, etc.), then learn all you can about metallurgy and different grades of steel, including how to heat temper metals and how to temper spring steel (very important).

Next, read and learn about (or examine) as many different firearms as you can: How they function, how they disassemble/assemble, etc.

Most gunsmithing schools are going to rehash a lot of what you already know, so be prepared for that. The biggest nut to crack, if you decide to pursue this avenue, is the woodworking/stockmaking. That takes a lot of skill, patience and artistry to do correctly.

How you want to pursue your gunsmithing endeavors is up to you; If you want to be a custom 'smith that's one avenue. If you want to be the local guy who fixes everyone's gun, that's another.

Good luck.
 
Orthopedic manufacturing pays way better than guns ever will, just sayin'

As one who became permanently disabled from an on-the-job accident at the airline I worked for I can attest to that. At least it didn't affect my hands, so I was still able to do my gunsmithing work; I just didn't move around very much for a long, long time.:D
 
Thanks to the info on the web, like youtube disassembly videos, parts view schematics and animations, there's plenty of educational avenues to get started, without actual hands on experience.
 
Learn, learn, learn !! read lots and collect quality books .The learning you will do for ever ! Being a hunter and target shooter will help.
Always do the business things too many in various trades fail becaus eof the business things. Keep accurate records for business and the ATF.
Always do the best job that you can .
 
Who is working in all of the gun factories across the US? Do any of them have gun smithing skills? I think I'd want to have "worked as a machinist for Colt, Ruger, S&W, etc." on my resume in addition to having some community college training. But, perhaps that doesn't matter.
 
Offering to work for free (i.e. apprentice) for a gunsmith when you can is a route, provided you can afford the sacrifice (in the olden days, I think apprentices were paid in food/board, in addition to experience; not so much anymore). I would think you'd meet more success finding an interested smith that way, too, compared with competing with more skilled veterans or jumping straight into expensive trade school courses for a field you really don't yet know you'll thrive in.

If you're mainly interested in machining/fabrication, get training in CAD/CAM and toolcenter machining, then go into medical, aerospace, or academic jobs. Tons more money and demand there; so much, you'll be able to work on the guns you want in your off time all you want.

Best of luck in your future endeavors,
TCB
 
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