How to deal with mean dogs?

K

Keiller TN

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On my morning walks, I pass a house that has a couple of guard dogs. They generally are restrained, but recently they have been loose. They act like they would love to do me damage. The first time I pulled out my Beretta and held it on them as I backed away. I don't want to shoot someone else's dog, but I'm determined to not be bitten either. How would you deal with this? I have to pass this house on the way out of our neighborhood. Would mace be a better first line of defense? I have thought about a walking cane, too, but don't really want to carry one.

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animal control if they are out of their yard. Then if you shoot them they were warned. also try a mag light 4 D cell. Be meaner than they are.
 
I have been rushed by large, ill-willed, dogs on three occassions, over the years. No provocation on my part. First time I was unarmed in the middle of a parking lot. I assumed a defensive posture and as the dog approached at warp-speed, snarling, and baring its teeth, a horrifiying growl rolled around us. The dog skidded to a stop sniffed my forearm, about-faced, and left. The growl came from whoever/whatever had possession of my body at that moment, because it weren't me making that noise.
I carry a blade for such situations. A club (Mag-Lite) is hard to impliment effectively a dog-fighting distances. ie: rolling around in the gravel with Rover attatched to your left forearm.

Be prepared if you shoot ole Fido with a pistol. He won't go down unless you hit the central nervous system or a big bone. You might just p!$$ him off. And then there are his buddies. Think twelve gauge.

-William
 
Have to go with 12-34hom on the pepper spray.

Multiple attackers.

No rolling in the gravel.
No blood.
No court appearances.

Good call.

As long as the stuff comes out of the can. I have had some failures. Back-up recommended.
 
I wouldn't shoot unless given no other choice. Of course you know that already. Shooting creates a host of problems. The round is probally going to go through the animal. Someone once advised me that if a person is going to shoot a dog in self defense, he should hold the dog to the ground,placing the muzzell of the firearm against the animal, and shoot. This should have the desired effect, and you won't have to worry about a back stop. Pepper is good, I'd hit the animal with the stream while it's still a ways from me. It some times has a delayed reaction. When I was a K-9 handler, my partner would get a dose of pepper on ocassion. He would continue to perform his assigned duties flawlessly. It had little effect on him. I tend to think that animals as well as humans can build a tolerance to pepper, that's just my opinion however. Blades can work, but you will get bitten in the process of defending yourself. Go with pepper.
Arrell
 
1. Some drumsticks which can be thrown as a distraction.

2. If that doesn't work, then use OC spray.

3. Bite the dog. Go for the throat, hang on tightly, and thrash your head side to side to get the most out of your incisors.
 
I beaned a Rott comming up my the stairs to my back door with my 1100 barrel. That got his attention and after he finally got on his feet, decided to leave. He was going to get the slugs if he came back for more. I didn't kill him the first time because I had the high ground and the steps were too narrow for him to get to me with the shotgun in front of me. If dogs see stars I know he saw lots of them, I really took a good downswing on his mellon, legs went right out from under it and rolled down the stairs.

On a bicycle I carry a blade. If a dog manages to grab me on a bike, we'll crash and he'll be all over me.
 
Throw a cat at it :D :D Just kidding. Maybe;D

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Some time back I had to photograph a mean, vicious dog for a security company ad. We put concrete anchors into the cinderblock wall in my studio and chained him up. The photo required that I get within a couple of inches of his snout with a wide-angle lens. He'd lunge at me, snarl, bark, foam and do everything you'd expect. He tried attacking the onlookers. After half an hour of this, I had to get the onlookers to provoke the dog, because all he would do was lick my face and get down on his front paws to play.

FWIW.

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Definately contact animal control and be sure that they take a report. Do it everytime something happens. This will create a history of the incidents. If at some point you have to shoot, don't worry because you notified the proper authorities and they did not act. I have been through this before after 6 calls to animal control had no effect. The owner kept letting his dogs out after 22:00 when animal control would only respond to emergencies if someone was actually bitten. It was only necessary to shoot one, the other left.
 
I use an asp the size that expands to 21", theydo make one bigger, but that size conceals easy for me...fubsy.
 
I mentioned this before as it worked quite well for us as we bicycled through our neighborhood.

Get a spray bottle like Windex and fill it with a 50-50 solution of ammonia and water.
One whiff of that and they will depart. Maybe even better would be a nozzle that sent out a stream.

Notifying animal control sets up a nice "I followed the law" paper trail in case you have to shoot.

[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited July 02, 2000).]
 
The first time, I'd give the owners a chance to fix the problem. I ussually let them know that I'm a dog owner too, I understand they get out sometimes, but If I or someone else see's them getting after the kids playing around here, the dog is liable to be put in the pound, or shot.

Only had one experience where this didn't fix the problem (it was actually my Dad who talked to the neighbors, I was ~6). the next night the dog (a German Shepperd) got out again and killed my pet rabbit, an FFA students lamb, and another neighbors dog (a little poodle mutt thing). German Sheppard died soon after. Someone fed it poison, and the dog got sick. Another neighbors dog - a good, old golden retriever- came along and ate the sick. Unfortunately, both dogs died. Shooting the dog (shepperd) would have been better. :(
 
The ammonia sprayer should be in "stream mode", directed at the dog's face. This would roughly equivalent to peeing in the dog's face, which is a serious insult to a dog but is generally considered unacceptable in public places! ;)

You should most certainly CYA by speaking with the owner, calling animal control, etc. Maybe take a trusted person with you to vouch for you or be a witness if it comes down to it. AND: Consult a good attorney!

After you have made several reasonable attempts to get the problem resolved, then (sad as it may be, I am a dog owner/lover) kill the dogs, they are a menace. (Dpending on what the attorney says.)

William R. Wilburn's attack-stance-and-growl tactic may work, too! I used to have a high-strung, pure-bred brat of a dog that would constantly try to steal my kids food, in any situation. Finally, I dropped down on all fours and rushed him, growling angrily. He ran away, cowered under the table for several minutes, then came begging forgiveness, but he never again bothered my kids while they had food in their hands! It was all I could do to keep from laughing!

You might try chadintex's throwing-a-cat tactic as well - just make sure the cat is bigger than the dog! ;)
 
A perennial topic here.

I'm with the pepper spray crowd. Usually a dog will be deterred just by your standing up to it. (If you're on a bike and can't just ride away, get off, stand up, and confront him!) If not, spray him and that'll do the trick.

If _that_ doesn't work, if you're facing Fido the psycho, statistical anamoly, dog, then I guess drastic measures are called for... but in all likelihood that isn't going to happen.
 
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