how registered are we?

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dZ

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i see posts like this one on the web, from time to time...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I'm the network admin for a city government. Part of my job entails administering and maintaining the network for the local Police Dept, including their 911 and Computer Aided Dispatch system. I
also administer and maintain the laptops in the patrol cars and the CDPD system.
One day during the course of troubleshooting a laptop in a police car, I ran my name through the NCIC. No warrants came up, but every gun I've ever bought from a gunshop did. Even ones I no
longer own. EVERYTHING--Make, Model, Serial Number and yes, caliber.
Sorry folks, your guns ARE entered into the NCIC database when you fill out the 4473. I will never buy another new gun and am in the process of selling all the guns I have bought from gunshops
so I can buy used ones from gunshows.[/quote]

Is it true?

dZ
 
In some states, yes. I remember that post, it came from California. There it is certaintly true. There were several legal issues when they bagan doing that but the courts sided with the government. Started in the early 80's.

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Nope. Not true. If there is a computerized national registration system, local police do not have access to it on-line, nor are local police departments made aware of how to access the database, if there is one. I have used NCIC every working day of my life for the last 10 or so years, and would describe myself as a skilled user of the system. If there was a national on-line source for the information on 4473's, I would know about it.

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Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
 
Dean...
Perhaps its not accessible thru NICS. Data propagates throughout systems. Not trying to sound conspiratorial here, but consider that your state and the Feds have access to gun purchase info for a minimum of 3-6 months; information that was supposed to be destroyed immediately. That info can be compiled into a different database.
We are told that the info is not accessible by unauthorized people (who determines who is authorized?) and it is secure....sorry, all we have to do is watch the news to see how secure and how gov't statements are honored: The lost White House e-mail; the "secure" income tax records the Clinton's seized, Johnny Chung, the Chinese espionage; the old Watergate fiasco; the Waco coverup, etc ad nauseum. I don't believe a single word a gov't employee says.

I believe the push for "official" national registration of all guns is merely to collect revenue and control.
For example: in Calif, the state gov't has tied in all sorts of things to vehicle registration/driver's licence renewal: behind on your child support payments....you can't renew your car reg or DL til you pay up. We all know that firearms are a substantial financial investment if you have more than 3..suppose there is a nat'l reg of guns....you have to cooperate to protect your investment.
If (when) nat'l gun reg goes thru, you can bet your bank book that we all will get notices for failure to register a gun we bought 8, 10 yrs ago. They know we have them

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
deanf,

Are you in California?

Anyone else in jurisdictions such as NY and MA and CT comment about state level info?
 
Not only will they register them but there will most likely be used to generate revenue...dont forget the tax issue......"were are those ten guns you registered last year and havent reregistered..?.......fubsy.
 
don't think the won't tax you yearly either

i have a buddy who had a darkroom in his basement.
the county taxed him for the potential of him dumping developer down the drain

he quit developing film at home

dz
 
It's surprising just how many gun buyers still believe they're safe from the registration process.

The NICS/4473 process used by FFLs IS REGISTRATION!!! This is the very reason why everytime a gun debate enters the picture, an outright cry for NICS background checks for all people who buy guns (private party transactions) at gun shows is pushed so hard. Because private party transactions are currently (and rightfully so) exempt from the NICS/4473 registration process.

The reason why so many gun buyers still don't believe their FFL purchased firearms are being registered, is because the process of registering firearms is PROHIBITED by law, it's ILLEGAL. Due to this fact, no one (in the system) will admit that the process results in registration.
 
I'm not saying the information is not computerized. I'm not saying that the information is not accessible by someone who knows how to hack in and get it. I'm just saying that your average cop on the street with a mobile data terminal, or your average dispatcher with access to NCIC (different than NICS) has no routine way to get the information. The writer described how he ran himself through NCIC, and up popped a list of all the guns he ever purchased. It doesn't work that way. I have the NCIC user's manual at my disposal as I write this, and there is nothing in the book about how to get into the "national registration database" or whatever it's being called these days.

Maybe this will help: NCIC is a national system, administered by the FBI. When someone is run through NCIC, as the writer of the original story (of dubious origin) was, that's only a check of national records. Every state has their own version of NCIC (they all call it something different, in WA we call it WACIC) that is only a state level database. Then of course there is DOL or DMV records. Three different systems that cops and dispatchers have access to via their state's computer network. Remember, it's different in every state. Yes, their may be a state or states that will give you a list of guns registered to a person when that person is "run", but that information is not coming from NCIC.

I'm in Washington, and we do have registration at the state level, and it's computerized, and yes, police and dispatchers do have online access to the records. No cop I've ever worked with has ever routinely had me run anyone they contact for gun registration. It's not the kind of thing that is always done on every traffic stop, or every time we run a name.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I don't believe a single word a gov't employee says.[/quote]

DC: trust me. I'm from the government, I'm here to help.

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Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

[This message has been edited by deanf (edited March 27, 2000).]
 
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