http://www.post-trib.com/news/porter/2867172,vshot-1105.article
Also, anyone know what a Smith & Wesson Springfield is please?
Also, anyone know what a Smith & Wesson Springfield is please?
How many things are wrong in this article about a ND?
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therealdeal
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I am not going to condemn a LEO for a mistake, but don't worry- I am sure some others might be willing to do that. He learned his lesson, and thankfully nobody was killed(I am unable to say: "Thankfully nobody was hurt."
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I also appreciate the honesty of the officer, and at least he was trying to do the right thing. Many people don't like to admit when they're lost in the sauce so to speak.
Accidental Discharges and Negligent Discharges will occur as long as people are firing&handling weapons. This is a Fact. Departments know this also; though it doesn't make it right.
I know someone who thought(he was incorrect) that if he held the hammer on his rifle he could pull the trigger of the loaded weapon. Well maybe this is possible, but he blew a hole thru his bedroom floor, thru a wall, and thru another wall before the refrigerator stopped the bullet in the downstairs kitchen. his newborn had been sleeping one room over and was below the floor of that bedroom also. I guess his reasoning was trying to get another round in the tube by opening the chamber. sorry I dont remember the reason- it was off!! I told him if he Must do that ever again(I don't think he'll be trying anytime soon
), that he could put something under or between where the hammer strikes so it can Not make contact.
)I also appreciate the honesty of the officer, and at least he was trying to do the right thing. Many people don't like to admit when they're lost in the sauce so to speak.
Accidental Discharges and Negligent Discharges will occur as long as people are firing&handling weapons. This is a Fact. Departments know this also; though it doesn't make it right.
I know someone who thought(he was incorrect) that if he held the hammer on his rifle he could pull the trigger of the loaded weapon. Well maybe this is possible, but he blew a hole thru his bedroom floor, thru a wall, and thru another wall before the refrigerator stopped the bullet in the downstairs kitchen. his newborn had been sleeping one room over and was below the floor of that bedroom also. I guess his reasoning was trying to get another round in the tube by opening the chamber. sorry I dont remember the reason- it was off!! I told him if he Must do that ever again(I don't think he'll be trying anytime soon
), that he could put something under or between where the hammer strikes so it can Not make contact.Would you condemn a non LEO for making the same mistake?
The four rules of gun safety
The 1st Law - The Gun Is Always Loaded!
The 2nd Law - Never Point The Gun At Something You Are Not Prepared To Destroy!
The 3rd Law - Always Be Sure Of Your Target And What Is Behind It!
The 4th Law - Keep Your Finger Off The Trigger Until Your Sights Are On The Target!
I do condemn the person. He violated 3 of the 4 major rules of gun safety
The four rules of gun safety
The 1st Law - The Gun Is Always Loaded!
The 2nd Law - Never Point The Gun At Something You Are Not Prepared To Destroy!
The 3rd Law - Always Be Sure Of Your Target And What Is Behind It!
The 4th Law - Keep Your Finger Off The Trigger Until Your Sights Are On The Target!
I do condemn the person. He violated 3 of the 4 major rules of gun safety
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The articles said "Smith & Wesson Springfield .40-caliber handgun".
I contend what they wanted to say was "Springfield Smith & Wesson .40-caliber handgun" or more appropriately stated "Springfield S&W .40-caliber handgun".
In short - the pistol was probably a Springfield Armory chambered for the .40 S&W. I could see how someone could get confused who was unfamiliar with the official designation of the ammo in question.
Anyone - that is what I think...
And the guy has no future in law enforcement now probably. Poor guy...
Yes, I know an AD is not a subject for humor, but sometimes....
At a nearby police department some years back, an officer coming off duty late Saturday afternoon was unloading his revolver, pointing it into the sandbox. Somehow, the gun fired. The bullet missed the sandbox and went through the wall above it. On the other side of the wall was a little room with a sink and toilet for the private use of the Chief of Police, whose office was next door. The bullet hit the Chief's "throne" and the result was water and broken porcelain all over the place. Oooops!
Fortunately, the shooter was a well liked veteran, and his fellow officers got together to cover for him. One had a brother who was a plumber, another had a good friend who did dry wall work. The plumber was able to find a match for the toilet, and over Saturday night and Sunday, everything was cleaned up and put back the way it was. The Chief retired without ever knowing about the incident.
Now had that happened on a weekday, and had the Chief been enjoying the "pause that refreshes", things might have been different.
Jim
At a nearby police department some years back, an officer coming off duty late Saturday afternoon was unloading his revolver, pointing it into the sandbox. Somehow, the gun fired. The bullet missed the sandbox and went through the wall above it. On the other side of the wall was a little room with a sink and toilet for the private use of the Chief of Police, whose office was next door. The bullet hit the Chief's "throne" and the result was water and broken porcelain all over the place. Oooops!
Fortunately, the shooter was a well liked veteran, and his fellow officers got together to cover for him. One had a brother who was a plumber, another had a good friend who did dry wall work. The plumber was able to find a match for the toilet, and over Saturday night and Sunday, everything was cleaned up and put back the way it was. The Chief retired without ever knowing about the incident.
Now had that happened on a weekday, and had the Chief been enjoying the "pause that refreshes", things might have been different.
Jim
therealdeal
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if it sounded like I was giving him points because he was LEO this wasn't the case. So no, I wouldn't have condemned him if he wasn't. whatever happened, it happened. it doesn't make it right, but AD's and ND's will always occur. that last part isn't responding to you cmike; is just repetition from my last post.
not sure what you're getting at: even if it was 4rules broken, what does me condemning him have to do with it? what do you think should happen with the investigation? should it be the same for a veteran(like the last post) or for the new reserve? you condemn this person- what do you propose(hypothetical if you had the authority)?
Shadi Khalil
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If the events that were reported are accurate,he should be fired or put behind a desk. At the very least know how to operate your weapon, especially if it's your job to protect. If this guy cant unload the gun how's he gonna handle a malfunction under stress?
therealdeal
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I am not sure how it applies to reserves but most depts or agencies have like a 1 yr probation period where you can be walked out for pretty much anything. after that you're pretty much locked in and you have the union on your side too. I'm not an expert, so every dept is different but he is under the probation period almost for sure. still that doesn't mean you'll lose your job. desk or mailroom during investigation I guess. I am not taking sides here; I am just pointing out some things. I know guys that have done far worse and not lost their jobs and then someone falls asleep on probabtion and they're gone. poor guy has to hear about that one for a long long time! thats if he can survive the stigma and/or bad reputation. lol
nefprotector
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This article doesnt suprise me at all. I work in kind of a Medium Security facility and some of the guards there that are armed. I dont know how they make it day by day or out in the real world without gettting hurt or killed by their foolishness. Amazes me. I fear going to work everyday.
Stevie-Ray
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Hmmm....he didn't violate the 3rd? I'm pretty sure he wasn't totally conscious of the fact that his femur was targetted, or he would have simply remedied that by pointing it at the floor.
Femur broken into 8 pieces. My wife just had a broken femur 2 years ago. This man is in for a lot of pain, trouble, rehab, and plain old discomfort for a long, miserable time. I don't envy him. Plus he'll have to face an inquisition when he's once again healthy. Bet me, this is the last time it ever happens to him and he becomes completely safety-oriented. We can only hope.
I propose him not having anything to do with guns as far as his police job.
I apologize if I misunderstood.
If anything I hold police officers to a higher standard than non police officers as far as their gun responsibility.
As Aunt May said in Spiderman "With great power, comes great responsibility."
overkill0084
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If you can't safely unload your weapon, then you shouldn't be carrying it. Not a lot of grey area.
therealdeal
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I think every LEO has to go to the academy but thats a good question. maybe he has a grace period to go or its different for reserves- I thought all went though like my higschool buddy who is a town cop now. even fed agencies have an academy. I had to go to the federal law enforcement training center at glynco georgia(bascially brunswick georgia).
I disagree with the grey area comment right before this one though his one line post says it all and is very true. Nobody can argue with the accuracy of the statement. there is a grey area whether we like it or not. leo's will make mistakes just like non-leo's. maybe every person who has had a ND or AD shouldn't be able to buy a gun since there is a report on it as an example? basically that willnot and should not happen.
I think I saw on cops when the girl cop got shot by the guy cop. they were firing at the suspect but he forgot about crossfire. that was sort of bad.lol. they didnt notice until the ambulance and other cops showed up what really happened. she got shot in the leg. my mama-in-law talks about how she doesnt like the mistakes being swept under the rug. she calls it the"'good 'ol boyz syndrome". a guy around here killed an elderly couple because he forgot to put his lights and siren on while racing to a scene. its not that he doesn't know how to drive- he made a mistake - an extremely costly and deadly mistake that he had to face the consequences and ramifications from. luckily that kind of stuff is someone elses job.
I donot think they have any or should have any, cmike
I might not post too much here. this is a good thread, but I want to make it clear I am not defending this guy. I am just posting how I see it from my angle. I can gurantee you more would have come from it if a ten yr old schoolgirl was mortally wounded from his mistake. thankfully none wasn't
I disagree with the grey area comment right before this one though his one line post says it all and is very true. Nobody can argue with the accuracy of the statement. there is a grey area whether we like it or not. leo's will make mistakes just like non-leo's. maybe every person who has had a ND or AD shouldn't be able to buy a gun since there is a report on it as an example? basically that willnot and should not happen.
I think I saw on cops when the girl cop got shot by the guy cop. they were firing at the suspect but he forgot about crossfire. that was sort of bad.lol. they didnt notice until the ambulance and other cops showed up what really happened. she got shot in the leg. my mama-in-law talks about how she doesnt like the mistakes being swept under the rug. she calls it the"'good 'ol boyz syndrome". a guy around here killed an elderly couple because he forgot to put his lights and siren on while racing to a scene. its not that he doesn't know how to drive- he made a mistake - an extremely costly and deadly mistake that he had to face the consequences and ramifications from. luckily that kind of stuff is someone elses job.
I donot think they have any or should have any, cmike
I might not post too much here. this is a good thread, but I want to make it clear I am not defending this guy. I am just posting how I see it from my angle. I can gurantee you more would have come from it if a ten yr old schoolgirl was mortally wounded from his mistake. thankfully none wasn't
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Rampant_Colt
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S&W located in Springfield, Massachusetts is stamped on the slide or barrel..
I was recently watching a reality show on Court TV called Dangerous Drives that was interviewing a SWAT team member who was extolling the virtues and merits of the Glock pistol and its "ceramic-polymer frame"
I was recently watching a reality show on Court TV called Dangerous Drives that was interviewing a SWAT team member who was extolling the virtues and merits of the Glock pistol and its "ceramic-polymer frame"
Sorry, but I have to ask...
Does anyone know if the magazine went in after he pulled the trigger?
He should have locked the slide back. They don't fire that way.
Ok, in all seriousness, I won't condemn him for a mistake. He was very likely new wtih the gun, and mistakes are easy to make sometimes. He paid the price, and will hopefully learn from it.
Does anyone know if the magazine went in after he pulled the trigger?
He should have locked the slide back. They don't fire that way.
Ok, in all seriousness, I won't condemn him for a mistake. He was very likely new wtih the gun, and mistakes are easy to make sometimes. He paid the price, and will hopefully learn from it.