How many of you have thought about "turning on, tuning in and dropping out?"

Jack 99

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I've thought about this periodically over the years.

What the hell am I doing working my buttocks off to feed "the Beast" which is actively engaged in destroying my freedoms? Doesn't this make me the ultimate schmuck?

There's a country song I've heard a couple times that's appropriate. I think the title is "They're billing me, for killing me." Don't know who the artist is. That's essentially how I feel though. The Federal govt (and state and local govts to a lesser extent) take money out of my paycheck BEFORE I EVEN SEE IT and use it to expand and maintain a growing monstrosity I have little or no control over (ever tried to argue with a bureaucrat?) that's assuming more and more power over my daily life and expanding at a faster rate every year thus necessitating the need to take even MORE money from me.

Logic and experience tell me that the more money I throw at them, the more they need. Government is very much like a junkie in that respect, the more dope (money, in this case) they get ahold of, the stronger the addiction becomes and the more dope they need. Its a vicious cycle and the end result is never good. Why continue to feed this dysfunctional addict? Doesn't that make me morally complicit in the inevitable, final destructive end? From a moral standpoint, is sending $$$ to Wash. DC any different from supplying crack addicts with rock cocaine?

Thing is, I have little or no use for their idiotic programs and I'm tired of subsidizing other people's self-destructive behavior. I'm also tired of subsidizing industries that rake in millions already. For that matter, I'm personally just fine with the idea of no more road building. Screw it, you want a road, pave it yourself but don't send the bill to the taxpayers. If I want to use it, I'll throw you a buck at your toll-booth.

Its bad enough I shovel money at the Beast when I buy bread, coffee, gas and other staples (almost anything you absolutely need to live has an excise tax. Unless you're raising your own crops and got a chicken coop out back, you put a few $$$ in Uncle Sam's coffers everytime you go through the checkout) but between the fraud commonly known as Social Security, the tax on my phone bill, Income Tax, Medicare, etc., my wife and I are out damn near a house payment every month. Worst part is, WE CAN'T AFFORD A FRIGGIN' HOUSE!!!!!!

Am I just an idiot to keep sending in my hard earned $$$ to a goverment whose powers have completely engulfed nearly every aspect of my life? Is it time to "drop out"? How hard is this to do? What are the potential consequences? Any good books on the subject?
 
Every morning I walk next door to get a cup of coffee. Inside in always some Latte slurpin, sandle shod, Mountain Bike riding, Yogurt munching, Long haired Hippie bastard in a Tie-Dye t-shirt. Probably never broke a sweat in his life outside of a Peyote Trippin Sweat lodge. Living off of Goverment grants and loans because he's a "Artist". Of course he's working. Do you know how many cups of coffee you have to drink before you can fill up bottle big enough to dunk a statue of Christ in?

No never thought about it at all.
 
Oh man... getting completely out of the system has been ricocheting around in my head (not much in there to slow it down, ya know) for the last several years. I lose approx $700 every MONTH to the Beast and get nothing back for it (except the illusion of security and potholed roads).

I still don't know how to get out. Wish I did, I wouldn't have so many headaches, literally.
 
Yup.

Thought about refusing to pay my taxes, getting thrown into the federal clink and taking a long vacation on the government teat.

So what if it's behind bars. Felons now days have more rights than us shmucks that abide the "law".

I could put my wife and kids on welfare.

No taxes from me, they pay welfare and prison expenses. Double dipping the Uncle Sam way.

:D

Too bad most people won't do it. Can you imagine the drain if they imprisoned 51% of the population?

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[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited July 27, 2000).]
 
Check out the "Foxfire" series, volume 5 I believe has an article of a family that did just that.

Pax Christi

Rev. Joel+
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Meiji_man:
Inside in always some Latte slurpin, sandle shod, Mountain Bike riding, Yogurt munching, Long haired Hippie bastard in a Tie-Dye t-shirt. (snip) because he's a "Artist".

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Excuse me, but you just more or less described me... I'm a working artist, who happens to really get off on shooting. Get in a conversation with a guy like that sometime... You might be surprised. Worse comes to worse, you may be able to invite a non-shooter to the range... There we assimilate them...
 
Wow...I've had the same thoughts, although not as much from paying the beast as from the simple observation that

a. Things are getting too complex - Technology is now increasing on an exponential curve - morals, values and development of personal character seem to be following a steadily declining liniar curve on lines drawn 100 years ago. I wonder how it's gonna be in another 100 years, when people and government have enorumous resources at the tip of a finger and did not work to get it. No appreciation, no grit, no internal fortitude. It's gonna be scary.

b. I quit watching TV a couple years ago - I don't get marketed to NEARLY as much as my peers. Small wonder I am baffled by most of the other people here in Kali - chasing the almighty doller, having no time to build relationships because of it, buying technological junk to make themselves feel better, and then working HARDER to pay it off. They are trapped by the age of 25. And misrible (But they look nice and shiny happy). I lived in the Netherlands for 7 years growing up - people are different there because they still recognize one thing "Cutting edge" nations like the US and Japan have forgotten - that PEOPLE are the ONLY thing that will truly make you happy. Not material objects. Another thing that will only get worse as marketers try and enslave the rest of us to credit cards and consumer goods.

Conclusion, is that people will work harder and harder, feel more and more disillusioned and resentfull because they don't feel right, but they just cant put their finger down on why. Everyone will bust their ass, a few people will get MEGA rich, s*it, it can't go on forever! Something's gotta snap.

I have a book called "The plain reader" which I bought, ironically enough, at starbucks, that is just a bunch of articles by Amish and other "Subsistance' style people who raise their own food, help each other, etc.

Damn, it looks good. Do I have the balls to shrug off the percived comforts of modern society and join up...

No as of yet.

The simple life beckons.
The modern life seduces.

:-|


Sorry for the rant...
 
"What's the "Foxfire" series?"

They were a series of books written in the 1970's I think (I'm going off of my somewhat intact memory here so take it with the usual grain of salt). They were compiled by successive high school English classes interviewing people in the Appalacians (sp?). Primarily older people who did things much as they did before 1900 (some of them were ever around before 1900). A very good series of books with lots of detailed instruction on how to manufacture things without power or machinery (just simple tools). I think that vol 5 also had instructions on gunsmithing starting from a metal rod and a piece of wood (to keep this within TFL's guidelines :) ).

As far as bailing out and getting the shack on a river somewhere goes... it would be great for me and some of the kids. However my wife has informed me that if we ever do go ahead and do that that there must be 20 years of airline tickets in escrow as she wants to spend a week or so in Hawaii every year.

Greg
(working on building up that escrow account even now :D )
 
Actually that was a joke, the odds are if he's there, he's probably one of my clients. I'm talking the posers. I design web sites for artists and I've meet all kinds. I've also terribly misjudged people, then actually seen thier work and wound up buying it myself.

So who does your site? :D
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coinneach:
Oh man... getting completely out of the system has been ricocheting around in my head (not much in there to slow it down, ya know) for the last several years. I lose approx $700 every MONTH to the Beast and get nothing back for it (except the illusion of security and potholed roads).

I still don't know how to get out. Wish I did, I wouldn't have so many headaches, literally.
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You know how to do it. Problem is your life will never be the same. No driver's license, no bank account, no conveniences, live off cash, etc. I've thought about it, and decided that I wouldn't want to put my wife through that. It's easier to continue baaaaaaing.
 
Wellllll, let's see. Although I really don't like all of the taxes I pay and all of the impositions the government puts on me, there are ways to make changes. My first question would have to be are you a registered voter? Or more importantly, an active registered voter? For all it's problems, this is still the best damned country with the best opportunities to succeed. You wanna drop out? Please don't add to the already over-populated homeless stree people out there. Go all the way. Denounce your american citizenship, catch a plane or boat ride to somewhere else, and make a go of it there. Send us some e-mails and let me know how it is. I've been deployed to more countries in the third world than you've probably seen states in this great nation, and I can tell you, it ain't that rosey anywhere else either! Every time I finally get back and get to hug the wife and kids, I realize that we just don't EVER have it as bad as we'd like to think.
 
cjviper,

I had NO intention of being homeless. And I've been to some of those 3rd world poop-holes too (by the way, I've also been to 44 of the 50 states). I think you misunderstood, I'd go to strictly cash, join the "underground economy", and erase myself as best I could from the radar screen. Its possible to do, but as EricM pointed out, its a trade off few are willing to make.

From a practical standpoint, I realize it'll probably never happen, but you have to admit, we're all sittin' here ranting about the "gubmint" and then sending thousands directly to the idiots who are making us miserable. There's not even a buffer, I don't even get to put that money in the bank and draw interest, its just mainlined directly into the junkie's arm. And the junkie gets to determine how much. Are we surprised that the answer is always "More"?

So the initial question stands, does that make me (and all of us) stupid schmucks or what?
 
You can't go cold turkey you have to slowly get out of the system!

I read somewhere (maybe AR15.com) you can fill out forms to opt out of Social Security. This would be a big step towards freedom. After you fill out the forms you won't pay SS ever again. When you get old you won't get it either.

Shok

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Akhil Reed Amar, Yale University
 
If you could live your life free of ready made salads, Barnes and Noble/Home Depot/Walmart forced consumerism, no haggle pricing, and planned tract housing communities aka the "new" economy where the consumer is milked like a cow, I don't think you would be a shmuck. Move to a Indian reservation and start your own casino/tax shelter thats what I sez.

Why are govt workers the most overpaid, laziest, obnoxious scum of the earth ? Granted, the only time I have to deal with those f*ckos is at the DMV, but for being the wealthiest nation in the world, how come our govt. employees and programs reflect one of mediocrity and inneficiency ?
 
Okay, I misunderstood a little. If I could live on a cash only basis, it'd be the way to go. Unfortunately, we're forced to have our money direct deposited, can't even go pick up that paycheck and feel it first before the bank and everybody else gets it. It'd be pretty hard to drop clear off the screen. No matter how you make your money (legit that is) uncle sam is gonna want some.

Shok, there is no way out of social security
yet.....the government borrows too much money against it all the time to let it become voluntary. Only when the complete life has been sucked out of it and it's no longer a benefit to the government will it become optional or go away (read: replaced by something more beneficial to the government).

spike
 
Man, everyday I kick myself for getting my kid a SS card the day he was born. Yeah, you fill out the form from your hospital bed because "It's easier for you than getting it later, blah blah blah." I didn't really see a problem with it, but now...

what if I want to homeschool him? I'll have to get "permission" from the government. They know of his existence (with something easier to keep track of than a birth certificate), so they will be wanting to know why he isn't registered in Kindergarten, etc.

And that's just the beginning. What about if he wouldn't have wanted one when he grows up? All they are is govt tracking devices. I would gladly give up declaring him on my income taxes to not have to get him a SSN.
I just didn't think of it at the time. :( :(
KICK KICK KICK!!!!
 
Ain't it a bitch? Here is my advice to you (sorry, it's a longterm strategy).
1. Invest max in your 401k.
2. Invest max in your IRA.
3. ALWAYS vote.
4. NEVER vote for a you-know-what.
5. Retire early.
 
I know how you feel, man!

I think about it every time I read the news... :( :rolleyes:

EXPLORER: Good advice, but what do I live on in the here and now?
 
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