How many of you give your SSN on the NICS form

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RHarris

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I believe it is block 7 on the nics form. There are three things and it specificly says it is OPTIONAL to provide the information. The three things one can VOLUNTARLY provide are the SSN, immigrant number or military ID number. Some dealers will claim this will expedite the process. I have NEVER filled the block out, and all but once, I was given a "proceed" (once I was delayed two hours for no apparent reason). Besides, why should I be penalized for following the instructions? I don't want to give them any personal information I don't have to. No, I don't have anything to hide; I just want to make it as difficult as I can for them to create an illegal registry. Some will say this isn't happening. If that's so, why is specific information such as the serial number of the gun written on the back of that same form? Some people will give it and say "my numbers all over out there anyway and they could find it if they wanted it." Well, if that's the case, why would it be necessary to give it?

There's a lot of things we are doing we don't have to. Why?
 
Unfortunately I do since there's a felon that has the same first and last names as I that apparently lives in the same state as I do, so I use the SS number to not mix me up again with this other person.

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Same as ctc,never

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"i do believe that where there is a choice between cowardice and violence,I would advise violence" Ghandi
 
Never. Had negotiated a good deal on a Glock once with a dealer at a "gasp" gunshow who tried to force me to put it on the 4473. I walked away.

Hawk
 
It really makes no difference in the long run. They know your name, address, and birthdate. If you don't think they can get your social security number in a heartbeat, you're kidding yourself. I have a CHL, so my fingerprints are on file. I don't sweat the SSN issue.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Westtexas:
It really makes no difference in the long run. They know your name, address, and birthdate. If you don't think they can get your social security number in a heartbeat, you're kidding yourself. I have a CHL, so my fingerprints are on file. I don't sweat the SSN issue. [/quote]


Why make it easier on them?
 
When dealing with any element of "law enforcement" or "bureaucracy", sop is always: THE LESS SAID, THE BETTER. For myself, that answers the question, or as another responder observed, "why make it easier for them".

By the way, if anyone finds this indicative of a suspicious view of government, bureaucracy and or law enforcement, I didn't think it was so obvious.
 
The dealer said that the agent would
not otherwise approve the nics check
this as I watched him on the phone with her.
What can I do spend 25 percent of the next four years and more of my income suing them over it.
I happily look to exercise my right to buy unregistered guns , a little 'loophole'
the republicans and NRA are slowly eliminating for me.
 
i don't put it down, but i'm not so naive that i think they cannot readily obtain it. i agree with eric. why give it to them, let them work for it.
 
I don't put it down. When the sales clerk or whoever goes into automaton mode and persists in asking, I persist in not answering.

When police ask, I tell them if they're not going to put money in my SSN account, they don't need to know. This certainly raises the tension in the encounter.

Weimadog
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EricM:
It's not required on the form due to the 2nd amendment. [/quote]

Actually, the only reason it is not required is because the enabling legislation does not require it. Like most federal gun laws, the 2nd amendment was never even considered when the law was drafted.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EricM:
I do not give it out. It's not required on the form due to the 2nd amendment. [/quote]

If they considered the Second Amendment, there wouldn't be a form in the first place.

Perhaps it's because of the Privacy Act of 1974. It's difficult reading, but there's ome interesting information regarding SSN's.
 
I give it. As a retired military man who had security clearances up to Top Secret and special clearances "they" know all about me. In fact the military years ago made the SSN the SN. Jerry
 
I give it. They record my DL# any way so if they want to know who I am, they will find out.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dizzipator:
Actually, the only reason it is not required is because the enabling legislation does not require it. Like most federal gun laws, the 2nd amendment was never even considered when the law was drafted.
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Nothing to do with federal gun laws. It has to do with social security regulations. If it's a privilege, like a driver's license, it can be required; if not, it can't be.

I went through this with car insurance here in lovely Idaho. I was asked to provide SSN when getting car insurance, and I refused. I was told a bunch of stuff about I could get lower rates, etc., and I still refused. I was then told they wouldn't insure me without it. I walked out, and called 3 other companies and was told the same thing. It came down to the fact that the state grants me the privilege to drive on public roads, and insurance is required to drive.

Given that you're required to fill out the 4473 form to purchase a firearm from a FFL, yet keeping and bearing arms is a right, SSN is not required.

SSN was required for driver's license and CCW permit in AZ and ID as they are privileges.

I hate it, but that's the way it is. I could walk or ride my bike everywhere and avoid it, but it's not practical. I loath FDR for creating this god-damned federal program.
 
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