I have a 92FS and five standard mags for it. Last Saturday at the range I emptied all five mags as fast as I could and noticed that the barrell was so hot that the front sight was blurry. Since this was the first time I had done this, I was wondering if purchasing more mags is worth it? How hot would the barrell have to be before I get concerned about safety and accuracy? Should I even waste money on additional mags?
How hot is two hot?
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Fred Hansen
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Take yoga instead. If you need all 5 mags in that big of a hurry, then being limber enough to bend over and kiss your a** goodbye might be a handy skill to aquire.
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1911A1 fan
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You hand load right?
75rnds is about 72rnds more than anyone will ever use in a gunfight.
75rnds is about 72rnds more than anyone will ever use in a gunfight.hksigwalther
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What kind of situation can you see yourself in that would require you to unload 75 rounds as fast as you can?
I am not an expert, but my personal rule for either rifles or pistols is, if the barrel is too hot to touch, its too hot. Let it cool.
I'm guessing you get a bit of extra barrel wear when shooting through a very hot barrel. The metal expands, which reduces the bore size slightly, so the bullet is a slightly tighter fit, so the barrel wears faster.
Accuracy generally suffers from a hot barrel, too.
I'm guessing you get a bit of extra barrel wear when shooting through a very hot barrel. The metal expands, which reduces the bore size slightly, so the bullet is a slightly tighter fit, so the barrel wears faster.
Accuracy generally suffers from a hot barrel, too.
Smurfslayer
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spray & pray
I sincerely doubt you'll ever get that pistol as hot as the Army did proof testing it. If you look at it (only with the firearm safely & properly disassembled
) the barrel of the 92FS is pretty meaty.
I'll say it anyway - a slow hit beats a fast miss. What did your target look like after 75 rounds (how many hits
)
I don't think you harmed the pistol in any way, but seriously consider going to double taps, DA & 2 SA follow ups, double tapping two side by side targets etc... it's cheaper, more fun & practical.
HTH
Nice choice of weapons as well
I sincerely doubt you'll ever get that pistol as hot as the Army did proof testing it. If you look at it (only with the firearm safely & properly disassembled
) the barrel of the 92FS is pretty meaty.I'll say it anyway - a slow hit beats a fast miss. What did your target look like after 75 rounds (how many hits
) I don't think you harmed the pistol in any way, but seriously consider going to double taps, DA & 2 SA follow ups, double tapping two side by side targets etc... it's cheaper, more fun & practical.
HTH
Nice choice of weapons as well
Only time I've seen a barrel warp was on a M16 that a Ranger MSgt humped too much ammo for during field excercises. He tried to push 2000 rounds out of it on full auto, almost finished before the barrel warped.
I don't think rapid firing 5 mags will do much to damage your pistol barrel. Personally I wouldn't do it though since I don't believe it accomplishes anything.
If you want shoot-em action, join IDPA and have some real fun when practicing.
I don't think rapid firing 5 mags will do much to damage your pistol barrel. Personally I wouldn't do it though since I don't believe it accomplishes anything.
If you want shoot-em action, join IDPA and have some real fun when practicing.
Rocklobster
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As long as it's a dry heat,it's OK...
Fellas, i think what the author means here is a continuous firing event, not necessarily a race.
I know of the Torture Test that Glock did with 40 cals for the FBI 5 years ago or so. 6 guns out of the box, 120,000, that's 20,000 each. i think it was in one day. the Glocks stood up, except for a couple of them wore out connectors, probably from the heat.
The lube -- TW-25B from Mil-Comm Products.
The moral to the story -- a quality lubricant will minimize friction, thus reducing potential heat buildup.
Nuff said.
(You want proof, ask any of the six Glock staffers who made it happen.) See: Glock Armorers School.
I know of the Torture Test that Glock did with 40 cals for the FBI 5 years ago or so. 6 guns out of the box, 120,000, that's 20,000 each. i think it was in one day. the Glocks stood up, except for a couple of them wore out connectors, probably from the heat.
The lube -- TW-25B from Mil-Comm Products.
The moral to the story -- a quality lubricant will minimize friction, thus reducing potential heat buildup.
Nuff said.
(You want proof, ask any of the six Glock staffers who made it happen.) See: Glock Armorers School.
No, I wasn't racing. Allow me to explain. I was at the sheriff's range (they let civilians use it for free on Saturdays) and pulled out my mags. The sheriff asked me why I needed more than one since it held 15 bullets. I told him I would rather have them and not need them, than to need them and not have them. He then said that I couldn't even finish two mags without my hand cramping up. Well, I did empty all five. During the forth is when I noticed that the heatwaves caused the front sight to blur. In all honesty, only about 30 holes were even on the target at all (I guess spray and pray really DOESN'T work). Since this was the first time I had don this, I was concerned. Of course I got "the lecture", but I was more worried that I had been suckered into ruining my gun. Thanks for everyone's responses.
Rainbow Six
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Never mind two hot. How hot is THREE hot?!?
I'm with whoever says if it's too hot to touch, you're overdoing it.
Course it is one heck-of-a fun time to do or watch, once in a while though..
I watched the sales guy at one of the stores near here run through half a brick of .22 ammo as fast as he could pull the trigger. Somebody bought a S&* 22a and complained that it jammed *all the time*, and he proved it didn't. If it would'a been mine, I think I'd of clubbed the guy on the head with it. Otherwise, it was great entertainment to watch.
Course it is one heck-of-a fun time to do or watch, once in a while though..
I watched the sales guy at one of the stores near here run through half a brick of .22 ammo as fast as he could pull the trigger. Somebody bought a S&* 22a and complained that it jammed *all the time*, and he proved it didn't. If it would'a been mine, I think I'd of clubbed the guy on the head with it. Otherwise, it was great entertainment to watch.
MeekAndMild
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Ditto on the too hot to touch=too hot to shoot rule.
Recall the phenomenom called "cookoff". That is where your autoloader heats a shell in the chamber hot enough to detonate. Then all of a sudden you're looking at a full automatic pistol with no way to stop.
Heating up closed bolt semi autos is an absolute no-no due to the cookoff factor. Imagine too, leaving the pistol closed to walk downrange to change a target!!!
I think an open bolt design SMG is safer when it gets warm, though if the barrel gets heated above the temper point of the steel it will erode faster.
Recall the phenomenom called "cookoff". That is where your autoloader heats a shell in the chamber hot enough to detonate. Then all of a sudden you're looking at a full automatic pistol with no way to stop.
Heating up closed bolt semi autos is an absolute no-no due to the cookoff factor. Imagine too, leaving the pistol closed to walk downrange to change a target!!!
I think an open bolt design SMG is safer when it gets warm, though if the barrel gets heated above the temper point of the steel it will erode faster.
Although I won't personally do this to my own weapons, joining the Army is a fun way to see just how hot is too much. I've shot M16's until the gas tubes were cherry red and M2 50 cals until we could light cigarettes by touching them to the barrel. Will prolonged shooting of weapons while they are extremely hot eventually cause damage and accelerated wear?..I'm sure it will, but in the Army, who cares!
Now If I'm shooting one of my beloved weapons, you can bet I'll slow things down a bit. I don't think the limited shooting that you did with your weapons will harm them in the least bit. It is very unlikely that you will ever put enough rounds through your weapon to ever come close to what is put through them in one firefight.
Good Shooting
RED
Now If I'm shooting one of my beloved weapons, you can bet I'll slow things down a bit. I don't think the limited shooting that you did with your weapons will harm them in the least bit. It is very unlikely that you will ever put enough rounds through your weapon to ever come close to what is put through them in one firefight.
Good Shooting
RED
BrokenArrow
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The FBI shot the ammo over 8 days and guns were allowed to cool/cleaned at 250 round intervals.
Two Glock 22s broke trigger bars at 17,131 and 19,494 rounds. Guns were only scored to 10,000 rounds though, so they passed. If scoring had been to 20,000 rounds, the G22 would have failed.
Whew! That was close?
A few yrs ago Glock did a demo where they took 20 guns apart, mixed up the parts, put a gun together and shot 10,000 rounds through it in one day or (one week end?). A trigger spring broke and had to be replaced; other than that, went OK.
Two Glock 22s broke trigger bars at 17,131 and 19,494 rounds. Guns were only scored to 10,000 rounds though, so they passed. If scoring had been to 20,000 rounds, the G22 would have failed.
Whew! That was close?
A few yrs ago Glock did a demo where they took 20 guns apart, mixed up the parts, put a gun together and shot 10,000 rounds through it in one day or (one week end?). A trigger spring broke and had to be replaced; other than that, went OK.
I don't agree with the too hot to touch=too hot to shoot rule.
If I applied this rule to rifles then I have to wait 10 min for every five shot I taken from my rifle. If you applied this rule, then our military shouldn't even use machineguns or any autoloader for that matter.
Don’t worry about it. From personnel experience I seriously doubt you do any damage to your handgun barrel. Firearms are very durable and can withstand a lot of punishment.
People just worry too much. Relax and have fun shooting your gun.
If I applied this rule to rifles then I have to wait 10 min for every five shot I taken from my rifle. If you applied this rule, then our military shouldn't even use machineguns or any autoloader for that matter.
Don’t worry about it. From personnel experience I seriously doubt you do any damage to your handgun barrel. Firearms are very durable and can withstand a lot of punishment.
People just worry too much. Relax and have fun shooting your gun.
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