How good is North Carolina for firearms owners?

Joe Brower

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Howdy;

My family and I are looking at moving from Florida, and North Carolina is one state that looks interesting. Soooo, I'm looking for information on the state of North Carolina, particulary on two firearms-related topics:

1) How good/bad are NC's firearms laws? I've done some research already and, besides the fact that they require you to purchase a license to buy a handgun, they don't seem _too_ bad. How hard is it to get a CCW? It appears they won't honor my FLA CCW permit.

2) Ranges are fun and all, but punching paper gets boring. I like taking the last two week's worth of empty plastic jugs out to the wild places and busting them up (and pack them out, too, of course!). Are there legal places where this can be done, such as in national forest areas and the like?

I'd appreciate any info.

Thanks,

Joe Brower
joebrower@earthlink.net
 
NC Laws

I don't know much about shooting in the woods, but there are quite a few decent ranges to visit in NC.

You don't have to have a license, but rather a purchase permit to buy handguns. It takes 5 days for the background check to get the permits ($5 each), so it is basically NC's answer to the Brady Law. NC is a shall issue state regarding CCW. You have to take a class (roughly $80-$100) and pass the course. As I recall the permit ran about $90 and lasts for 4 years and must be accompanied by your drivers license when you are carrying.
 
I live in NC and must say the only negative I see WRT firearms is the lack of reciprocity (sp?) with other states. I hear there will be a move in the next session of the legislature to correct it.

Want to purchase a gun? Apply for a permit (on-line with the sheriff's dept), wait 3 weeks for the first time (1 week thereafter), go down to the sheriff's department and pick up up to 3 permits for $5/each. Take it to a FFL store and get happy. CCW requires attending an 8 hour class sponsored by the NC Department of Justice (instructors are certified by the state, course costs $100), take the certificate and make an appointment with the sheriff's department for an interview, fingerprints, and paperwork, give them $95 and 90 days later your CCH will arrive. Good for 4 years.

Where to shoot? Lots of indoor ranges (hourly or membership depending upon location). Outdoor ranges abound. There are lots of opportunities for competition including IDPA, PPC, IPSC, etc. The Charlotte area has a truly outstanding club with both indoor and outdoor facilities.

It ain't perfect but there has been no harassment by various officials and agencies. HCI is not that well-known though they did stick their nose in the last election and lost.
 
NC-
I've maintained a home there for these past 12 years. It's rural; it's surrounded on 3 sides by National Forest; it's a great place to shoot.

NC CCW Laws:
Are horrible, IMHO. Up until 4 years ago, we had no CCW law and it was a Misdemeanor to be caught carrying concealed. Now we have a CCW law and it is a Felony to be caught carrying concealed just about anywhere: the restrictions to carry are endless.
Rich
 
Rich, you are sorta right. First time you get caught w/o a CCH license is a misdemeanor. Second time is a felony. Restrictions are pretty much standard.
 
Joe,

I'v lived in NC for about 5 years, just went thru the pistol permit routine. These are issued by county sheriff's depts. The permits are good for purchase anywhere in the state, but, check the sheriff in the county you plan to reside -- there may be some differences in issuing regs. from county to county. Here in Wake County (includes Raleigh, the capitol), you can get up to 5 permits at a time, $5 each. Takes a week to get, and they're good for 5 years. I don't believe our county has the on-line setup, I had to go in person. And, you must bring a non-relative character reference, who you've known at least a year, to verify that you're not a felon, drug addict, mentally ill, etc. (generally of "good moral character"). Buddies usually go to the sheriffs office together, and sign for each other to save time. Generally, it hasn't been a problem.

I haven't looked into CCW, but there's lots of ads for the classes posted at ranges and in the paper.

Though I do most of my shooting at indoor ranges, there are several active outdoor gun clubs in the area. I haven't looked into regs. for shooting on public land. People seem to be pretty gun-friendly, don't get upset about gunfire in the country, esp. during hunting season.

That's why I was suprised when I read my pistol permit info, and there was one paragraph stating:

"When you practice, you must have, on your possession, the written permission of the owner of the land if you are firing any centerfire weapon or ammunition."

Didn't quite jibe with my personal experience, but now you know the spirit and the letter of the law, FWIW.

In case you need it: Wake County Sheriff John Baker, Jr. P.O. Box 550, Raleigh, NC 27602 (919) 856-6949

Hope this helps!
 
Waitone-
First time you get caught w/o a CCH license is a misdemeanor.
Fair enough. Can I have a legal cite?

Now compare the Florida and NC list of Prohibited Places:

Florida:
any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or
special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
North Carolina:
D. AREAS WHERE WEAPONS ARE PROHIBITED

1. Schools

North Carolina General Statute § 14-269.2 provides that it is a Class I felony for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind, on educational property or to a curricular or extra-curricular activity sponsored by a school. It is also a Class I felony, for any person to cause, encourage, or aid a person who is less than 18 years old to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind, on educational property. This particular violation does not apply to BB guns, stun guns, air rifles, or air pistols.

It is a Class G felony for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any dynamite cartridge, bomb, grenade, mine, or powerful explosive, on educational property or to a curricular or extra-curricular activity sponsored by a school. This particular prohibition will not apply to fireworks. It is also a violation, punishable as a Class G felony, for any person to cause, encourage, or aid a person who is less than 18 years old to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any dynamite cartridge, bomb, grenade, mine, or powerful explosive, on educational property. Again, this particular violation does not apply fireworks.

It is a Class 1 misdemeanor for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any BB gun, stun gun, air rifle, air pistol, bowie knife, dirk, dagger, slingshot, leaded cane, switchblade knife, blackjack, metallic knuckles, razors and razor blades (except solely for personal shaving), fireworks, or any sharp pointed or edged instrument, except instructional supplies, unaltered nail files and clips, and tools used solely for the preparation of food, instruction, and maintenance on educational property. It is also a Class 1 misdemeanor for any person to cause, encourage, or aid a person who is less than 18 years old to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any of these items on educational property.

These prohibitions will apply on any school building or bus, school campus, grounds, recreational area, athletic field, or other property owned, used, or operated by any board of education or school board of trustees, or directors for the
administration of any school.

It is a misdemeanor, rather than a Class I felony, for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any
gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind, on educational property or to a curricular or extracurricular activity
sponsored by a school if:

(1) The person is not a student attending school on the educational property or an employee employed by the school
working on the educational property; and

(2) The person is not a student attending a curricular or extracurricular activity sponsored by the school at which the student is enrolled or an employee attending a curricular or extracurricular activity sponsored by the school at which the employee is employed; and

(3) The firearm is not loaded, is in a motor vehicle, and is in a locked container or a locked firearm rack.

......

A concealed handgun permit does not allow a permittee to carry a weapon on any school grounds.

2.Assemblies and Establishments

North Carolina law also prohibits any person carrying a gun, rifle, or pistol into any assembly where a fee has been
charged for admission or into any establishment where alcoholic beverages are both sold and consumed. Again, the individuals exempted from carrying concealed weapons cited in paragraph III.A of this publication are similarly exempted under this law. A concealed handgun permit does not allow a permittee to carry a weapon in these areas. The
following are also included in this exemption:

(1)The owner or lessee of the premises or business;

(2)A person participating in the event, if he is carrying a gun, rifle, or pistol with the permission of the owner, lessee, person, or organization sponsoring the event; and

(3)A person registered or hired as a security guard by the owner, lessee, person, or organization sponsoring the event.

3.State Buildings

It is also unlawful under state law, for any person to possess or carry a weapon, not used for instructional or officially sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in the State Capitol Building, Executive Mansion, Western Residence of the Governor, or on the grounds of these buildings, including any building used to house any Court of the General Court of Justice.
Persons exempted by the provisions of G.S. 14-269(b) are not bound by this prohibition. These persons are set forth in
Paragraph III. A. of this publication. Also exempt are persons in possession of weapons for evidentiary purposes, or who are delivering the weapon to a law enforcement agency. This prohibition does not apply to state owned rest areas, rest stops along the highways, and state owned hunting and fishing reservations. Possessing or carrying a weapon in these areas is a misdemeanor. A concealed handgun permit does not allow a permittee to carry a weapon in these
areas.

4.Events occurring in public places

North Carolina law further makes it unlawful for any person participating in, affiliated with, or present as a spectator at any parade, funeral procession, picket line, or demonstration upon any publicplace owned or under the control of the State or any of its political subdivisions to willfully or intentionally possess or have immediate access to any dangerous weapon.
Persons exempted by the provisions of G.S. 14-269(b) are not bound by this prohibition. These persons are set forth in Paragraph III. A. of this publication. A concealed handgun permit does not allow a permittee to carry a weapon in these areas.
 
North Carolina law also prohibits any person carrying a gun, rifle, or pistol into any assembly where a fee has been charged for admission
Does that mean you can't carry in, for instance, a movie theater?
 
Gorthaur-
Yup!

Also, you are not carrying under aegis of your CCW permit at 7:00PM on Saturday night if you had a beer with lunch. Don't forget to leave your piece in the car if you join a funeral procession....hmmmm, what if your procession is by car?!

Rich
 
Well, gents, you've been extremely helpful. No substitute for getting the straight scoop right from the folks who live there. Overall, it sounds like North Carolina is certainly a place that I could be happy with.

My remaining question is still the one about taking breakable objects out to the public lands, busting them up, and carting the remains back out. This was a BIG, favorite part of my shooting fun back out West, and I'd really like to know that whereever I'm moving, I'll be able to once again partake of that pastime. Any info specific to this question would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again!

Joe Brower
 
Re-name the restricted zones

Success would probably never occur, but it would seem correct to label all of these restricted areas as "Soccer Zones".

"Warning: As this area is frequented by Soccer Creatures, any means of personal protection is prohibited."

The reciprocal would also hold true.

"Warning: As this area insists on personal responsibility, Soccer Creatures are prohibited."

Oh well....just a thought.

Regards
 
I was visiting a friend at Camp Legune about 6 or so years ago and we were going to go to a local honky tonk out in the boonies where you could go up on the second floor (it might have been the roof for all I know) and shoot guns!!! I don't know if the folks shot rifles or pistols but who cares, sounded like a rollicking good time to me! But there where some girls from Kaliforinia that were all freaked out by it so we didn't go. My loss.
 
We NC'ers can thank our new Gov. for the changes in the laws. It isn't too bad, I accidently found a site listing all the guns illegal in Mass. the other night and couldn't belive it. I can still go out in my back yard (15 acres) and set up my own course and shoot to my heart's content. My area is lucky to have stauch defenders of our 2nd amendment rights as State Senators and Reps. One is even a Democrate, and the only one I voted for this year!
 
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