How did Alaska do it?
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spacemanspiff
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well, i wouldnt say we 'Got rid of it'.
alaska still will issue a CHL to those who apply and submit all the necessary stuff.
as i recall, it was a democrat who sponsored this bill. yeah, a democrat actually was in favor of relinquishing government control over who can lawfully conceal a firearm. go figure.
rumors are floating about that alaska will reverse this law, and go back to requiring a license to carry. supposedly law enforcement up here wasnt happy with the way things were handled.
alaska still will issue a CHL to those who apply and submit all the necessary stuff.
as i recall, it was a democrat who sponsored this bill. yeah, a democrat actually was in favor of relinquishing government control over who can lawfully conceal a firearm. go figure.
rumors are floating about that alaska will reverse this law, and go back to requiring a license to carry. supposedly law enforcement up here wasnt happy with the way things were handled.
Standing Wolf
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Law enforcement often isn't the least bit happy with the Second Amendment.
paratrooper
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The good old days
I spent a lot of time up there in the 70's and learned one big difference between AK and lower 48 states . In AK if you go off into the boondocks and don't carry a weapon you were thought to be crazy . Everybody had a weapon of some sort . Down here weapons are "around" . There weapons were EVERYWHERE .They even carried good sized weapons in small light aircraft .
One day in the 60's while training at Fort Richardson I managed to slip into a small diner on the road . I was carrying a M-14 and had a 1911 in a shoulder holster . The fella waited for me to lean the M-14 against the wall and took my order in usual deadpan fashion . Neither he or the other patrons gave my weapons a second look . I would have gotten more attention if I had a parrot on my shoulder . If it weren't for such bad winters I would be there in a heartbeat .I still remember jumping into the Winter Manuever , Operation Polar Strike in Feb. 1965 . -54 on the ground .
I spent a lot of time up there in the 70's and learned one big difference between AK and lower 48 states . In AK if you go off into the boondocks and don't carry a weapon you were thought to be crazy . Everybody had a weapon of some sort . Down here weapons are "around" . There weapons were EVERYWHERE .They even carried good sized weapons in small light aircraft .
One day in the 60's while training at Fort Richardson I managed to slip into a small diner on the road . I was carrying a M-14 and had a 1911 in a shoulder holster . The fella waited for me to lean the M-14 against the wall and took my order in usual deadpan fashion . Neither he or the other patrons gave my weapons a second look . I would have gotten more attention if I had a parrot on my shoulder . If it weren't for such bad winters I would be there in a heartbeat .I still remember jumping into the Winter Manuever , Operation Polar Strike in Feb. 1965 . -54 on the ground .
After her parents were murdered in a Luby's in Texas, when she had disarmed herself to "comply with the law", the honorable Suzanne Gratia Hupp tried to get the law changed in Texas that would remove the prohibitions of concealed or open carry - no permission, tax, paper, prints etc required - as it is in Vermont. Unlike the effort in Alaska, she did not get any substantial support so it didn't go anywhere.
She had it summed up pretty well in a statement directed to one of the left-flavored global socialists in 'D.C. - Charlie Schumer ....
"The Second Amendment isn't about protecting ourselves against criminals. It's about all of us protecting ourselves from all of you."
Like me, she rightly isn't happy with the idea of having the country turned into an extension of the prison yards either ....
"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual .... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."
She had it summed up pretty well in a statement directed to one of the left-flavored global socialists in 'D.C. - Charlie Schumer ....
"The Second Amendment isn't about protecting ourselves against criminals. It's about all of us protecting ourselves from all of you."
Like me, she rightly isn't happy with the idea of having the country turned into an extension of the prison yards either ....
"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual .... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."
Alaska ain't CONUS.
Here in suburban Boston, when I go into the backyard, I can be pretty well assured that I'm at the top of the food chain. 'tain't so in Alaska.
Folks in AK are a whole lot more familiar with guns. When my better 1/3 and I checked in at Anchorage airport for a flight down to Homer, the airline agent asked us if we had any guns. It was more of a reminder that we needed to check our guns and she was surprised that we didn't have any.
What worked in Alaska won't necessarily work down here. A liberal Democrat in AK is a conservative Republican in Massachusetts.
Here in suburban Boston, when I go into the backyard, I can be pretty well assured that I'm at the top of the food chain. 'tain't so in Alaska.
Folks in AK are a whole lot more familiar with guns. When my better 1/3 and I checked in at Anchorage airport for a flight down to Homer, the airline agent asked us if we had any guns. It was more of a reminder that we needed to check our guns and she was surprised that we didn't have any.
What worked in Alaska won't necessarily work down here. A liberal Democrat in AK is a conservative Republican in Massachusetts.
Standing Wolf
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Unless the criminals are loose in your neighborhood. Personally, I'd feel safer in Alaska than the Boston area.
I think many people have a somewhat misguided impression of the general population in Alaska today. The cities like Anchorage, Fairbanks etc (where the bulk of the year-round population live) have a largely mainstream culture - with the same influences as the lower 48. Drugs and thugs etc are not a rarity, although the thugs generally prey on tourists who are rarely armed, are thinking only of sampling "last frontier" and seeing bears etc. There is no difference between the logic in that a freely armed populace deters thugs there as in those of the lower 48 that have similar laws.
Wildalaska
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Rumours spiffy, rumours...aint gonna happen...even the bloodbath I was worried about hasnt occured...in fact...no one really gives a you know what about it...
Where did ya get that idea?
WildcuriousAlaska
Wildalaska
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Guess ya aint real familiar with it anymore then....
Familiar with what? American mainstream cities? Or has Fairbanks and Anchorage really in fact reverted to a televison myth called "Northern Exposure"? 
Funny, the Anchorage Daily News and Fairbanks Daily-News Miner have read pretty much the same on such topics the last six years - in their own somewhat filtered way.
Funny, the Anchorage Daily News and Fairbanks Daily-News Miner have read pretty much the same on such topics the last six years - in their own somewhat filtered way.
spacemanspiff
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shhhhhhh!! the doubting thomases might demand an apology from us naysayers!
aside from alaskas extremely high rate of sexual assaults, home breakins i believe are the most common form of criminal activity. house couple doors down from me got hit that way, mid-day, no one home. it happens more often in anchorage than the daily news will print, simply because no ones really interested. they'd rather hear about police writing tickets to dogowners who let them run unleashed.
get out into the matsu valley, and home breakins are even more common. with so many valley residents working in anchorage, the pickings are great for thugs out there. law enforcement often is unable to respond immediately to all reports of theft. they're too busy pulling bobbysue off of billyjoes cousin joey joe joe shubadoo for shacking up with her daddys uncles stepsister.
LAK,
I think the idea Wild was questioning was the "thugs preying on tourists" one, not the truth of "cities are basically cities." I remember tourist car rentals being a carjacking issue in Florida when they went "shall issue", but I can't say I've heard of a trend toward tourist targeting up here.
Like Spiff said it still seems to be mostly sex abuse (intramural often) the cold break-in's and a seeming increase lately in actual home invasions (mostly drug related) if you can believe the Daily Worker.
Not challenging your statement, just haven't seen it specifically mentioned.
Carebear,
The context was the logic and impact of people freely carrying handguns - as it is now in Alaska as well as states like Vermont. Sexual assaults often take place involving subjects who know each other (directly or indirectly), are involved in similar social activities (like people who get drunk alot - and there is no shortage of those in AK), etc. Break-ins into unoccuppied homes and thefts etc are not going to be affected by whether or not the "owner" carries a handgun or not. Hence I was speaking of street crimes like aggravated robbery. Unarmed tourists seem to get attention at ATMs etc.
There were about three or four homicides that made the news in Fairbanks during the first year I was there, and that seemed to be about "average" for the years preceeding and at least for awhile thereafter. Although in an apartment building I had moved out of an unhappy man shot dead two (or was it three) in one sitting - a sort of "domestic" situation - in the room next to him.
The context was the logic and impact of people freely carrying handguns - as it is now in Alaska as well as states like Vermont. Sexual assaults often take place involving subjects who know each other (directly or indirectly), are involved in similar social activities (like people who get drunk alot - and there is no shortage of those in AK), etc. Break-ins into unoccuppied homes and thefts etc are not going to be affected by whether or not the "owner" carries a handgun or not. Hence I was speaking of street crimes like aggravated robbery. Unarmed tourists seem to get attention at ATMs etc.
There were about three or four homicides that made the news in Fairbanks during the first year I was there, and that seemed to be about "average" for the years preceeding and at least for awhile thereafter. Although in an apartment building I had moved out of an unhappy man shot dead two (or was it three) in one sitting - a sort of "domestic" situation - in the room next to him.
spacemanspiff
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i understand the theory LAK, but honestly, tourists stand a greater chance of baggage handlers stealing their luggage (or at least rifling through it to find any valuables) than getting mugged.