How accurate was a colt navy revolver caliber .36?

Anibal

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According to history Wild Bill Hickok was able to shot a card to 50 yards, and he killed a guy with a shoot at the same distance that hit the other guy´s heart. Was it possible?

I know it depends more of the guy who was shooting, but the Colt Navy revolvers has enough inherent accuracy to do that?

Forgive my bad English,

Aníbal (Hannibal)
 
Colt Navies have very good inherent accuracy. The sights are pretty primitive but with lots of practice and a sharp eye a a person could do very well even by modern standards.
 
The sights are pretty primitive
Very true. The larger caliber Ruger has been a lot easer to shoot, with there adjustable sights. A card @ 50 yds, try it today with a modern firearm. Not easly done by the average shooter. :)
 
Hickok killed Dave Tutt at 75 yards with an under the arm heart shot. It's not clear what gun he used. Some have said one of his 51 Navies, some say a Colt Dragoon and some have said a S&W 32-40. The 51 Navy is a very accurate gun that points naturally. It will easily surpass most run of the mill modern cartridge guns in accuracy.
 
Hickock wasn't an 'average' shooter by today's standards :)

Colt Navy is a sweet shooting revolver; more folks should try that cap and ball thing
 
Remember the old adage:..

Beware the man with only one gun"!

The old west shooters / gunmen, etc., developed knowledge and the abilities to use what they carried to maximum advantage.
 
I couldn't hit a barn wall with my Colt .36 navy....from the inside.
Other handguns, I did quite well.
BTW, mine was the Colt reissue model. Good gun otherwise. Looked nice hanging on the wall.
 
The .36 Navy is pretty accurate, though some early repros weren't because they used automatic pistol rifling (the tooling came from Beretta) that didn't grip the ball well enough. But an original Navy is perfectly capable of hitting a man center mass at 75 yards, though hitting the heart would involve a bit of luck (good or bad, depending on the viewpoint).

The main drawback to those old Colts for accuracy is that the rear sight is on the hammer, with a lot of things to get loose between it and the barrel.

Hawg, what in heck is an S&W .32-40? .32-40 is a rifle cartridge and S&W didn't come out with a .32-20 until 1899. (Hickok was killed in 1876, IIRC.)

Jim
 
To the OP . . . the only "true" way you're going to answer your question is to get one and try it! You'll be amazed at the natural balance and point of a '51 Navy . . . sort of feels like butter in your hand. Like any weapon . . . it takes practice . . . . but once you feel that Navy bark in your hand and smell the burned black powder . . . you'll be hooked.

I've owned probably five '51 Navies . . . I now have a Uberti and it is sweet! I also have a '61 ASM Navy that is equally well balanced and a nice shooting pistol . . . . my favorite though is my '51 and although I'm not an "expert marksman" . . . . I do pretty well with it at 25 yards Colt sold a huge quantity of this model from the time it was introduced until well after the Civil War . . . they weren't popular because they made good doorstops! :D
 
I have a Navy repo (Pietta), but in .44 cal. (Colt never made the 1851 in .44, only .36). The .454 ball shoots high by about 8 inches at 15 yards. Going with the flow and just aiming low, I have given the red squirrels a real hard time with this gun...:D I may pick up a .36 at some point.

The 1851 is a fun gun the "point shoot" with, from chest level. Just remember, when you cock your 2nd and following shots, raise the gun up high to allow the busted cap pieces to fall out, or they may jam up your lock work. They are an SOB to get out!!!
My Uberti Walker Repro shoot dead on, but it is much heavier than the 1851.
 
I heard one version,but don't remember where,that he rested the gun against the side of a building,when he made the shot.
A movie type show down makes for better history,tho.
 
I heard one version,but don't remember where,that he rested the gun against the side of a building,when he made the shot.
A movie type show down makes for better history,tho.

I think the accepted version is he braced across his left arm but we'll probably never know for sure. Witness couldn't even tell for sure what gun he used. I think it was likely he used what he was most familiar with since he was expecting to get in a fight. IMHO the 51's.
 
The late gun writer Elmer Keith wrote that about 1912, he had a Colt 1851 Navy that would cut cloverleafs at 20 yards. He sat down and rested his wrists on his drawn knees.
Keith said he traded that old Navy for a new .38 Special, and always regretted it because the .38 wasn't as accurate as the Navy.
It's tough to compare accuracy with today's reproductions to the originals. The original had gain-twist rifling: rifling that started out straight and then increased in twist as it went along the barrel.
I know of no reproduction Navies that were ever made with gain twist. They're all standard twist.
I've read a few accounts of people who have fired the old, original guns that the gain twist gives better accuracy than today's constant-rate rifling. But it's hard to find an original with a good bore to test the gain twist rifling. They exist, but they're usually near-perfect and firing them may affect value.
There is one gain-twist cap and ball revolver, made in recent years, of which I'm aware: an expensive, target-grade Remington 1858 .44 made for competition. It has gain twist. I think the price is around $1,000. It's been a few years since I've seen one listed in any catalog or website.
It would be fascinating to compare the accuracy of an old original with gain twist, against a modern reproduction. I've never heard of such a comparison.
And until someone finds one with a near-perfect bore, and is willing to risk devaluing it as a collectible, we probably won't see such a report.
As far as I know, Colt made all its cap and ball revolvers with a gain twist. When the Single Action Army came along, fixed-twist rifling was standard.
As far as I know, the cap and ball revolvers were Colt's last use of gain-twist rifling.
 
ya'know

I'm inclined to think that a playing card at 50 yds with ANY handgun, much less a cap and ball, is a heck of a shot, period.

I have two old articles, one from Guns and Ammo and another from Gun Digest, that address practical accuracy and stopping power respectively, in cap and ball revolvers. Neither mention accuracy in terms of groups or distances past 7-15 yds.

And...a 75 yd shot w/ a handgun, life or death, that's another heck of a shot.

Always thought the 51'Navy and 1860 Colt Army were attractive pistols.
 
I have 2 Navies. Both of them shoot grossly high. I have a piece of brass rod I am going to fit to them. It is oversized, so I can file the side of it off for some windage adjustment.

The 2 revolvers shoot about 4" at 25 yards

Doug
 
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