hornady vs lee single stage for a new reloader

Brando1992

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Is this hornady kit: http://www.brownells.com/reloading/...spx?avs|Special-Filters_1=Rebate&RebateID=147
Really $200 better than the lee kit? http://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision...&qid=1463001925&sr=1-7&keywords=lee+reloading

I am looking at reloading 9mm, 45acp and .223. Possibly in the future i will aslo reload .308 and .357 is the single stage a good start or would i go ahead and get a progressive press for a little more money? I shoot around 200 rounds of 9mm a month between two trips and would like to bump that up to 400-500 a month with reloading. I also like the idea of buying bullets, powder and primer in bulk and just loading what I will use so I don't have to run all over town looking for the best deals on ammo.

I have heard great things about the lees for a beginner but would like yalls take on it!

Thanks!
 
I buy and use Lee Dies because I like them . I do not buy Lee loading tools because I like real steel in a press and no plastic .

As in a lot of things cheaper is not a bad thing but some times not the best .
 
If you are looking for a single-stage to try reloading out, get sonething cheap. Look for a used rock chucker or something.

The calibers you load all do very well on a progressive and if you want to do any kind of volume, you will be looking for a progressive after loading your first few hundred.

In short, you probably won't want to stick with a single-stage very long, so go cheap.
 
I have the Lee Value Turret press and reload for several different calibers and have had virtually no problems with quality.The base is made of cast aluminum alloy and the top of the turret is steel.The handle is made of steel with a wood knob.What I particularly like is mounting all the different caliber dies in their own carrier.Changing calibers is just a matter of changing the carrier-once they are adjusted there is very little readjusting needed.I reload from .380 thru .45 ACP and rifle 300 BLK.Just my opinion of coarse.
 
Thanks for asking our advice. Welcome to reloading

Progressive or Single Stage?

I have an opinion to share.

Progressives scare me a little. My personal style does not mexh well with monitoing multiple simultaneous operations. But that's just me. If you are extremely methodical and easily design and follow algorithmic procedures, go ahead with the progressive. Especially if you are anal retentive about process. I'm not that good. I miss things.

With a progressive, there are usually at least 3 different operations going on at the same time. If you are willing to go slow and stop on each stroke of the handle to make sure each one completed correctly, you are unlikely to miss something going wrong. I am not suggesting you are impatient or prone to cutting corners or unobservant, but am just acknowledging that human beings are subject to failures. And progressive presses allow you to make such failures several times faster than single stages.

Self-knowledge is a a valuable trait. Know your strengths and weaknesses and and take them into account when you choose your first press.

So, to reiterate:

1) A progressive press has multiple simultaneous operations. Hard to keep track of, especially if you are new to reloading. Missing a detail (or doubling up on one) can be hazardous to your gun, your hand, your eyes, your life, and dangerous to anyone near to you (physical proximity and emotional proximity).

2) Trying to watch those multiple things going on all at the same time is a difficult way to learn the reloading process. Die adjustment, seating depth, primer seating, crimp strength when a new reloader is starting out, or an experienced reloader is starting to load a new (for him/her) cartridge is enough to occupy your attention.

And, of course, the classic advice:

3) You will never regret having your single stage press. I used to own two progressives (one permanently set up for large primer cartridges and one for small primer cartridges, because I don't like to swap those parts out). I will also never get rid of my single stage. While the progressives are faster, they require more attention and there are a few operations I cannot do on my progressives, at least, not conveniently. I wonder how many reloaders have only progressive presses? Very few, I opine. There are things you may want to do on a single stage that just cannot be done (or are very clumsily done) on any other type.


The compromise between progressive and single stage, of course is the turret press. You leave your dies set up in a 4 or 5 position turret head and rotate the head. Keep one head for each chanbering and you rarely have to deal with switching and re-setting. You just change heads that bolt (or bayonet) into place. I will make another post about that.

But first, "To kit or not to kit?" (with thanks to W. Shakespeare)

If you start slowly with just the extremely minimal necessities and only buy what you really need, you can put together your own kit (better than any off-the-shelf, pre-packaged kit), but you will have put a lot of thought into it (which actually is a good thing, but will tire your brain and take time, measured in both hours spent in research and measured in weeks/months in experimenting with the loading process, and shopping).

When I first started reloading in the mid-70s, they did not market a "kit" (that I knew of). I got a RockChucker from RCBS, Scale, Dies, and all the stuff I needed, new when I bought my first gun (Dan Wesson .357 Mag). I knew I couldn't afford to shoot if I had to buy retail ammunition. Not long after, Later, I got a couple of used Lee Pro1000 progressives. But I never got used to them and traded "up" to a Lee Classic Turret. But, look for my next post for that story.

Lost Sheep
 
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Choose wisely

It only hurts buying the best once. When you pay for it.

When you buy less than you need, it hurts every time you have to "make do" or compromise as you use it.

Lost Sheep
 
Turret vs Progressive

The quantities you cite tell me you will not be satisfied with a single stage press for very long. When I started loading, 50 per hour on a single stage was my benchmark.

My first time out with my Lee Auto-indexing Classic Turret saw 100 rounds in 47 minutes, from having the components on hand to finished, boxed and labelled ready-for-the-range ammo.

Progressives can make a lot more ammo.

But progressives will set you back a lot more in initial purchase price, take more care to learn and are much more complex to change calibers.

I load for 9mm, 45ACP, .358 Mag, 44 Mag, 45 Colt, 454 Casull and everything I need to load fits in 3 medium size toolboxes (aside from components and a vibratory tumbler, which strictly speaking is not necessary anyway) plus a folding workbench. If I loaded on a well-appointed progressive, there would be a lot more space devoted.

At 500 cartridges a month, a progressive would be a near-certainty if it was only one caliber. With multiple calibers, the changeover complications change the calculations a bit. If you were to do batches of 500 of one caliber one weekend, and then 500 of a different caliber one weekend of the next month, you would keep yourself in ammo nicely on a progressive. With only a few hours devoted to each session.

If you (as I do) load a few boxes of one caliber, then a few boxes of a different caliber, then put the gear away between loading sessions, a turret might be a better choice. But figure loading 500 rounds may take the better part of a day. But it would not matter if it is one chambering or several.

How much room do you have?
Will you leave the gear set up permanently or take it down after each session?
What's your budget for the initial startup cost?
Will you be making small batches of each caliber or major numbers (500 to 1,000 in a sitting).

Those questions will guide your decision.

Lost Sheep
 
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Check out in line fabrication. You can utilize more presses in less space. You can use clamps to hold on the high rise when you need to use a press and remove it all when you want your space back for another project. The person who runs it all is named Dan. He is very helpful and stands 100% behind his work.
Buy a bunch of reloading manuals and read the forwards and keep them as sort of a reference to anchor things you learn outside of the manuals. Subscribe to Handloader magazine.
 
Really $200 better than the lee kit?

Don't think of it as "$200 more". Think of it as "almost 3 times the price".

Don't forget to budget for die sets.


I am looking at reloading 9mm, 45acp and .223. Possibly in the future i will aslo reload .308 and .357 is the single stage a good start or would i go ahead and get a progressive press for a little more money? I

Skip those. Get the Lee Classic Turret Kit. Thank me later. :)
 
I have that same Lee single stage press. Bought it about 30 years ago. It's still all I use. I load 40 S&W, 38/357, 44 Mag, 223, 243, 308 and 300 WSM. You'll be fine with it.

Yeah, it's slow when loading pistol rounds. I'm OK with that. Reloading for me is something to pass the time, rather than something to hurry up and get done.
 
You will get as many opinions as you have people who respond in this thread.

The only thing I'll add is that when looking comparing the price of "kits" be sure to consider the costs of necessary items not included in some kits which can be significant. Some even include data manuals and come with everything but dies. Others might seem like bargain until you purchase what is not included.
 
Whenever you mention Lee equipment, you are gonna get extreme opinions. From Lee fans; "Lee is great. Good value. Makes good ammo". And from Lee Haters; "Cheap junk. My ____ is so far superior... Buy once, cry once". There are "experts" on every forum who believe they are 110% right...

I like to tell new reloaders to read a lot, like "The ABCs of Reloading" not only to see how reloading is done, but also to see what equipment is best for your reloading needs. I also tell new reloaders, IMO, it's best to learn to reload on a single stage press, rather than learn to operate a reloading machine that produces ammo.

FWIW I bought a Lee turret press 13 years ago and disabled the auto-index feature 12.9 years ago. Feels better for me, more "control". Plus I batch load doing one or two steps at each sitting...:rolleyes: But I learned to reload with a Lee Loader in 1969...
 
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"...buying bullets, powder and primer in bulk..." Not until you have work up a load. Primers by the 1,000 though.
Don't think the brand of equipment matters a whole lot. Certainly has nothing to do with the quality of ammo produced. However, warrantees vary a whole bunch. Some of 'em are crappy. Others back up the stuff they sell even if you buy used kit. (Buying used kit isn't like buying a used car either. Takes a lot of abuse to damage pretty much any brand.)
It's really best for a new reloader with nothing at all, to buy a beginner's kit. Gives you everything you need except dies and shell holder. Pay attention to the shell holders too. A lot of cartridges used the same one. .38/.357 ands .44 Special/Magnum, of course. Look at the interchangeability list. Most manufacturers have one on their site. Doesn't save much money, but it saves a little.
Oh and 500 rounds a month isn't a lot. Know a guy who shot 2500 rounds per week practicing for Second Chance, long ago. Beat Miculek in a man-on-man and won $500.
Speed with a single stage comes with technique. Mostly by doing one step to all your cases using both hands then changing dies. You get the brass ready for powder/bullet and store 'em. Shoe box or the like. It's the powdering that takes the time. Even with a thrower. Mind you, if it takes a whole day for 500, you're doing something wrong.
 
$200 more? I expect you to live with that seriously fine hornady press for what, twenty or more years? What is that, only twenty cents a month?

Look at your Lee press very carefully, and ask yourself if it looks like it will reach 20years .

Yes, that press is worth the extra ten bucks a year if you are the guy who buys his tools at a hardware store, spending maybe twice as much, rather than going through the bargain bin are crazy Jake's imports.
 
I load on Lee. I do think it is good equipment to start reloading on. I do believe there is better equipment out there. Lee is the company that made the classic autodisk. The newer autodisk pro is actually a good powder measure for the price. The classic autodisk was a good concept, but very poor execution with cheap materials and barely worth 10 bucks with all its headaches. There are other examples of Lee equipment being somewhat subpar. FWIW, I think their dies and presses are pretty good to go. Its their accessories that leave much to be desired.

You will definitely want at least a turret press for mostly pistol reloading. You can always remove the indexing rod and use it as a single stage. Im so glad I started with a turret. Its not that much more money than a single stage either.
 
I reload .38 Spl, .357 magnum, .44 Spl, .44 magnum, .30 Carbine, 30-06 and use a Lee Classic Turret 4 hole press.

It really comes down to, 'Different strokes, for different folks'. I will offer a slight change in perspective. I like the idea of beginning with a single stage press. I also think at the volumes of output you mention it will get old pretty fast. As an option you might look at the Lee Classic 4 hole Turret Press. take out the auto index rod and it is a singe stage press. Put the auto index rod back in and it is a turret press. It will pretty much double your output. Single stage I typically get 50-75 rounds per hour. Turret press I typically get 100-150 rounds per hour. I am anal and like observing every step along the way. I tried a progressive and did not like everything happening at once to where I was not 100% sure everything was completed correctly. Some folks like the progressives and brag about how many rounds an hour they crank out, and they can really double, or triple my output if you believe them and I see no reason not to. As I said different strokes for different folks.
 
I just started and I bought the Hornady kit. Seems to be well made and the cheap digital scale seems to work. I was surprised by how much I spent on:
Dies
Shell holders
Case trimmer
Vibrating tumbler
Bench
Components

Don't forget that the Hornady kit comes with 500 bullets and every die comes with 100.
 
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