Home education banned in Berkeley?

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". . . these students represent a loss of $5,376,000, in state reimbursement, which would be gained if they were enrolled in school district Independent Study programs." AHA!
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Home education bannedin Berkeley?

Attendance review board questions
legality of parents teaching children

By Julie Foster
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

Home schooling is under fire in Alameda County, Calif., where four families have been brought before the school attendance review board, or SARB, which is questioning the legality of the existence of home schools.
The Berkeley Unified School District SARB is demanding the families produce evidence of their children's school attendance as well as information regarding their educational curriculum.

Board members first made the demand at a hearing on May 19 and gave the parents until May 31 to comply. Initially, a verbal request was made for proof of attendance only, but a letter from the SARB that was received by the families on May 23 amended the notification also to require the families' curriculum information.

Attorney Will Rogers, who represents three of the four families, said he requested an extension of the deadline after he received the board's letter, but was not given a response. He made a second request on May 30, which was denied.

The Home School Legal Defense Association told WorldNetDaily the SARB has no authority to request any information regarding curriculum.

However, according to Mary Schofield of Family Protection Ministries, a California-based advocacy group, the board may require proof of school attendance but only after a complaint has been filed against specific students.

Though the origins of such complaints are kept confidential by the SARB, sources told WND it is an "open secret" that a disgruntled ex-husband of one of the mothers in question filed the complaint. The divorced couple is currently in the middle of a custody battle.

All four families attend the same church, as did the suspected complainant until his divorce. Prior to his divorce, the man -- a school district employee -- was known as a strong advocate for home schooling and had been preparing to open a home school on his church's property.

However, he has since registered a complaint with the California Franchise Tax Board challenging his former church's tax-exempt status and reportedly initiated the investigation into his friends' home schooling practices.

The action has become a critical case for home schools in California. Alameda County is notoriously hostile toward home schoolers and may use the complaint to challenge the legality of home schools in the state.

Jan Passama, spokeswoman for the Alameda County Office of Education, told WND, "We all have different feelings as to whether home schooling is legal or not."

Some of those "feelings" revolve around whether the filing of a private school affidavit constitutes the creation of a private school. Many home schooling families file the affidavit, known as an R-4, to inform the state their children are indeed receiving an education.

Passama provided a document she indicated explains the district's position regarding the validity of home schools' R-4s. Titled, "Home Schooling: Can we put this issue to bed?" by Milton D. Dooley, the document outlines arguments against the legality of home schools.

Dooley cites a 1961 case in which a California "court held that a course of study from a correspondence school cannot be classified as a private full-time day school within the meaning of [California Education Code Section] 48222, where neither parent held a teaching credential for the grades taught, and where no teachers from the correspondence school were present at the home to teach the children."

A former consultant with the Los Angeles County Office of Education, Dooley also argues against a "recent ploy to 'legitimize' home schooling." Many parents register their children with "administrative units," which charge a fee for enrollment and sell a curriculum, but, according to Dooley, "provide no supervision over academic progress or teaching."

Such an arrangement does not constitute a "private school" and is not legitimized by the filing of an R-4, he says.

Interestingly, Dooley notes the number of students enrolled in such "administrative units" in Los Angeles County in the early 1990s totaled 1,344.

"In addition to questionable education, these students represent a loss of $5,376,000, in state reimbursement, which would be gained if they were enrolled in school district Independent Study programs," he wrote.

Dooley does not explain how those funds can be counted as a "loss" when they merely would have been "reimbursements" to the district for providing educational services. Since no services are being provided, as the students are home schooled, no reimbursements are necessary.

Rogers says his clients have the right to determine how their children are educated.

"Our clients have a fundamental freedom to direct the education of their children and to explore and to try out different alternatives in the world of education," he told WND. "The Berkeley School District is saying, 'No, you don't have that freedom. We are going to limit your choices.'

"My clients are saying, 'No, this is America. We have freedom to determine what is in the best interests for our children with regards to their education. And we, the families, have determined that home schooling is best for our children. They are thriving in the home school environment. We don't want that taken away.'"

"[The board members] have the view that only they can provide an adequate education for these children," Rogers added.

Compulsory education laws require parents to enroll their children in school. The last 20 years has seen an increasingly heated debate as to what constitutes a "school" as more parents who are disenchanted with failing public schools decide to educate their children at home.

The Berkeley SARB case could be a turning point for the status of home schools in California. The families in question are meeting Monday to decide whether legal action should be taken in the matter.

© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com, Inc.




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The New World Order has a Third Reich odor.
 
The boy that just won the State Spelling Bee AND!!! came in second in The Geography Bee was home schooled as have been the three last State Spelling Bee winners . " You don't spit into the wind , You don't tug on Supermans cape , You don't pull the mask off The Old Lone Ranger and you don't question success .

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TOM
SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA

[This message has been edited by paratrooper (edited June 03, 2000).]
 
There are more serious questions than whether these children are getting a decent education. They may be able to win spelling bees, but how will they learn to celebrate the ethnic holidays of other countries? Who will teach them sex education? Where will they sign agreements not to defend themselves from those trying to hurt them? And worse yet, how will the school deal with losing money on those kids whose parents are foolish enough to believe they know what is best for their children? Damn free-thinkers.

[This message has been edited by Colombe (edited June 03, 2000).]
 
I hope HSLDA socks it to them Kalifornicans.

Colombe,
It's just not possible that the parents are the best people to teach those poor misguided children all that stuff. G50AE is right, just plunk 'em in front of the computer or TV all day (better yet, public school, in KA no less!): That'll edge-yoo-cate them "right as rain!"



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"At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Gun-Grabbers, at last we shall have revenge at The TFL End of Summer Meet on August 12 & 13, 2000..."
 
No offense Colombe,
but as a person who has seen both sides of the debate (or should I say 3 sides) I think you are speaking out of ignorance and bias given you by the media. I was home schooled until the 8th grade. My parents were missionaries and we lived in sub-saraha Africa, India, China, Argentina, Guatemala, etc etc. My twin sister and I were given an education by my parents (both without any teaching degree.) My father was a seminary trained Reverend and my mother was a practicing resident (who I might add, finished her medical degree at age 19) at Edwards in Chicago. The lack of teaching training hindered them zero. We were taught 5 living languages and 2 dead ones (for reading, in the words of my mother,) several instruments, how to fly a plane, shoot a gun, live in the bush, travel, think on our feet, discuss ideas in 20 different countries, survive anywhere on top of the normal education of Math (Algebra, Geometry, Calc 1+2, Trig, Physics) English (Composition, Grammar, American and Brit Lit) Science (All earth-biology texts) World History on a graduate level as my parents asked one of their friends to help them there and he happened to have a PH.D in the subject.
When we came back to the states we were enrolled in the "best" public school in our area. A 5A school where you had to pass special exams and drive a Porche just to get in. We both, technically (according to the state requirements,) had double the needed credits to graduate on a *College* level upon entering the ninth grade in public school. Not only that but both my sister and I scored the 2 highest SAT and ACT scores in the state to that date. (no really, I'm not bragging, just making a point)
While I admit that ours are was an exceptional situation, and not all parents can offer that, I disagree that the state has the right or even the ability to judge that completely without bias (monetary) skewing their opinions.
Because of compulsory attendance laws in that state my sister and I both had to go four more years to school (and please, no one bring up the development and social interaction issue, it's a crock, we had grown up interacting with 20 distinct cultures on a daily level, which is about where daily life in America is at now) and all we did was sit there and mark time. I learned nothing new for four years except how to make a bong out of a coke can. You know, really useful stuff to a kid looking for a future. I brought home my books and left them at home for four years. We both graduated at the top of our class and went on to finish college in 2 years. She got a degree in accounting and I got a double degree in Theology and Literature. By the time we were 20.
That my friend is the value of home schooling.
 
I do not wanna cause a stir here but... I grew up and was educated in berkeley and what it boils down to is that there is severe social division in that town (wanna tour, e-mail me and I'll show it to you). YES IT IS A RACIAL DIVISION!!!! I will say no more so as not to be offensive to anyone but it is appalling... I suggest you carry when I take you to the part of the community/board that gripes.
 
Damiano,

I guess your parents forgot to teach you how to detect ironic sarcasm? :D

If I read Colombe's post correctly, he was deriding the state's jealousy of the success of home-schooling.

Of course, if I read it incorrectly, then I would need a course in interpretive comprehension! (maybe spelling, too!) :D

BTW: I'm homeschooling my 3 kids this summer... my first year. Wish me luck!


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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
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[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited June 04, 2000).]
 
I've been homeschooled since 5th grade(will be graduating later on this summer) and I am about a year ahead of my peers academicly. The entire reason for prohibiting is the fact that the state can't program your kids. Period. I used to be a pacafist, why do we need assult rifles and handguns, please don't hurt me kinda person. All influenced by public school. The fact that Berkly is also talking about money lost would suggest that they're using the reimbursments to fill budget gaps, rather than spendng it on schools. John, good luck. Your kids will test you at times, but if they're genuinely intrested in learning it will be an enjoyable process for both sides.
 
Must have been that darn public schooling that led me astray. :)

LOL.

Actually, yes, I was being sarcastic. Sorry if that wasn't obvious.
 
I figured it out later. I read the post at 3 am and was a little groggy. My emotions jumped in before my mind did, plus that is an emotional issue for me. I always hated the stares people gave when you explained that you were homeschooled. My professors in Uni thought I cheated my way thru since I completed 6 years of school in 28 months. I always told them it was the good foundational education I got, but you know, if you don't fit the stats, there must be something wrong!

Anyway, Colombe, my sincerest apologies. I should have answered it when I was fully awake.

And yes, my family did teach us ironic sarcasm. :-)
 
". . . these students represent a loss of $5,376,000, in state reimbursement, which would be gained if they were enrolled in school district Independent Study programs."

It hit me about 2 a.m. this morning - reimbursement? FOR WHAT? They delivered no service to those kids so why should they be reimbursed.

They're whining about losing money they would have gotten IF the kids had been at school, but make it sound like they've laid out money and are entitled. Typical liberal word play.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oatka:
[BIt hit me about 2 a.m. this morning - reimbursement? FOR WHAT? They delivered no service to those kids so why should they be reimbursed.[/B][/quote]

What a pathetic situation . You think that any Gov't. should provide something in return for the taxes you pay ? They need money for social give away programs as well as giving money to those that don't " fit in " to our society . A third grade drop out should be forced into manual labor to survive ? " I have 5 children " mindset . " I can't work . I must be home when they come to tell me that one of my " babies " has been shot robbing a liquor store." " 5 different children means 5 different men I must service ." " Not to mention future possibilities ."
No , No , No, . You pay your taxes and do as they say .
This sucks .



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TOM
SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA
 
As some on this board know, I am an English teacher. I have taught in public schools and I now teach in a private correctional school. I have also helped people home school their children.

My opinion on home school is this: Do whatever floats your boat.

The reason I am posting is to warn you all of this: If you enter a public forum and declare yourself a spokesman for whatever form of education you support, and you hold yourself up as an example of its success, please take pains to check and double-check your spelling, punctuation and grammar. If you cannot present your argument in a literate treatise, you are only giving those opposed to your stance more ammunition.

A word to the wise.


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*quack*
 
(furiously checking spelling)... All clear duckhunt! :)

JohnAZ,

Best of luck to you with your kids! I've been home teaching my oldest daughter now for 2 years (off and on due to a baby being born), and I must say that it's a very rewarding experience! If you ever need support, help, or even a pep-talk, feel free to email me. As I've only been doing this a short time, I definitely don't have all the answers but I can relate to what it's like.

OK, I'll shutup now...

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"At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Gun-Grabbers, at last we shall have revenge at The TFL End of Summer Meet on August 12 & 13, 2000..."
 
Duck Hunt, my wife, also, is an English teacher and would agree. She would say that a poorly edited message undermines that message (especially on a topic like this). However, I think there are plenty of people like me who miss many of the mistakes.

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Alexander Solzhenitzyn:
"Freedom is given to the human conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility."
 
I was homeschooled since the 6th grade (I just graduated). I know that I would not be as politically conservative as I am now if I had stayed in public schools. I side-stepped the spoon-fed govenerment-sponsered Communism that is so popular in school today.

What was the best thing about homeschooling? I learned to think for myself. That is one of the most important abilities. Unless you can form thought on your own, you are dependant. And thought-dependancy is a very vulnerable state. I bucked that, and now am watching as my peers are sadly being prodded around like the sheep they are. Of course, they all *think* they are thinking for themselves....


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