Hollow points

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billydiesel

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Is it true that hollow points are illegal for carry in some states? If so, why? It seems hollow points would be better suited for carry for the simple fact that they rarely exit the target and hit an innocent bystander. I am not an expert, but I heard New Jersey does not allow them. Just curious.
 
Hollow points are indeed illegal to carry in NJ, with the exception of LE. They are legal for anyone to purchase (though the seller is required to report you and the amount he sold to you), keep in their home, and use at the range - just not for carry... which doesn't really matter to 99.999% of the population, as it is next-to-impossible to obtain a permit to carry a handgun in this state, anyway.

But you are correct... if you are retired LEO, a private investigator, or by some miracle a private citizen assigned a permit to carry, you are required to use ammunition that could overpenetrate and possibly injure/kill someone innocent. At least, until the EFMJ's hit the market... they're not covered by the statute that prevents hollow-nosed bullets.
 
Sad, but true.

Like a lot of other things, it doesn't have to make sense, it's the law!

Just one more example of the basic underlying problem with our nation, the people who make laws are not required to be knowledgeable on anything except getting elected. But they think they know more than the rest of us, because they know what is best for us.
 
'Tis a crazy patchwork we have. As Tom mentioned, NJ prohibits JHP ammo in carry guns and (Tom, correct me if I've wrong) they also prohibit you from shooting people with it. Unless I am mistaken, I think they're also illegal to use in Hawaii too.

Personally, I think a defense could be made against a civil suit if an innocent bystander was hit. Especially if the gun owner used FMJ (non-expanding) ammo but actually owned some JHP ammo not in the gun. The defense is that the state prohibits ammo that reduces overpenentration and should thus be held as the primary defendant, since they mandated a less safe alternative.
 
NJ prohibits JHP ammo in carry guns and (Tom, correct me if I've wrong) they also prohibit you from shooting people with it.
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There's no specific statute against the use of hollow-points for self-defense, say in your home, for example. The only mention of such ammunition is in the law that prevents possession of such, with certain exceptions (home or business, transport from place of purchase to home, transport to/from target range, and use while hunting).

There are so many exceptions to that particular law, that when combined with the practical matter that obtaining a permit to carry is next to impossible, that it only serves as a "tack-on" offense to a charge of illegal possession of a firearm, or some other firearms-related charge. It was written during the hysteria of the "cop-killer bullet" period, as the same section of the law applies to both hollow-point as well as armor-piercing ammunition (talk about opposite ends of the spectrum).
 
If you use a .22 short you can penetrate the skull and have it bang around a few times effectively turning the skull into a cassarole dish without leaving the body. A .22 short will also be less likely to penetrate a target. However I do not know the legality of having a .22 CCW with .22 short rounds. But we all know that they have absolutely no knockdown ower of any kind unless some freak accident occurs and the heart or head ar struck. Even then if the heart is hit it may be a bit before the heart quits beating giving the perp some time to get in a stroke of their own.
 
If you use a .22 short you can penetrate the skull and have it bang around a few times effectively turning the skull into a cassarole dish without leaving the body. A .22 short will also be less likely to penetrate a target. However I do not know the legality of having a .22 CCW with .22 short rounds. But we all know that they have absolutely no knockdown ower of any kind unless some freak accident occurs and the heart or head ar struck. Even then if the heart is hit it may be a bit before the heart quits beating giving the perp some time to get in a stroke of their own.
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You are funny.

And to the thread maker...yes they are illegal in some states, why? Because the politico's keep you safe from you.
 
If you use a .22 short you can penetrate the skull and have it bang around a few times effectively turning the skull into a cassarole dish without leaving the body. A .22 short will also be less likely to penetrate a target. However I do not know the legality of having a .22 CCW with .22 short rounds. But we all know that they have absolutely no knockdown ower of any kind unless some freak accident occurs and the heart or head ar struck. Even then if the heart is hit it may be a bit before the heart quits beating giving the perp some time to get in a stroke of their own.
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Where do you get this stuff. Funny as it may be.
 
just read that and I have no idea why I wrote it. :o ah, sweet sleep deprevation and what a mind can think of. But seriously I hope I never have to worry about a backdrop in a city. And have you seen what a .22 short does to ballistics gel? Seriously have you? I haven't and I would like to see.
 
And have you seen what a .22 short does to ballistics gel?
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Haven't seen what it does in gel but I have in the human body. I was underwhelmed by the performance. It punches a small hole, that's it, nothing more. And disregard all those stories about a .22 "bouncing around". Doesn't happen.
 
I apologize for any misinformation I posted. i will try to post at better times than when i SHOULD be sleeping and have a clearer head and better sources than my subconcious
 
Thanks for the information, I was just curious about this. Just didn't seem like it made any sense, and I was just if anyone knew the basis for this law.
 
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