Hollow points illegal in NJ?
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Intrepid Dad
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Here's a link to the New Jersey State Police. This may not be comprehensive, so please research this issue thoroughly before possessing hollow points in New Jersey.
http://www.njsp.org/about/fire_hollow.html
The text from the web site:
Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.
N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:
(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].
Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).
Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:
1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
3.A person going directly to a target range, and;
4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."
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As with other ammunition and firearms, a sportsman would have to comply with the provisions of N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f and g when transporting hollow nose ammunition to a target range. The ammunition should be stored in a closed and fastened container or locked in the trunk of the motor vehicle in which it is being transported. The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range with "only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." N.J.S.A 2C:39-6g.
If the sportsman's club member plans to hunt with a rifle and use hollow nose ammunition in a state where this is permitted, he must comply with the provisions of U.S.C.A. 926A and N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f) and (6)(g), which is consistent with the federal law, in transporting the firearm and ammunition. The firearm should be unloaded and neither the firearm nor the ammunition should be readily accessible from the passenger compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the firearm and the ammunition should be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or the console. 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.
In addition, the sportsman should have a valid hunting license in his possession from the state in which he plans to hunt and should be familiar with that state's gun laws. N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f)(2) requires a person hunting in this State to have a valid hunting license in his possession while traveling to or from the hunting area. Hunting with hollow nose ammunition is permitted in New Jersey. In the case of a New Jersey resident traveling to another state to hunt, it logically would follow that the hunting license would be from the state where the hunter is going. Although the federal statute does not require possession of a hunting license, it does require that the person transporting the firearm be going to a state where possession of that object is lawful. A valid hunting license from that state effectively supplies the proof.
These conditions for use and transport of hollow nose ammunition are consistent with the legislative intent to restrict the use of such ammunition to a limited number of people. It is well established that in construing a statute exceptions are to be "strictly but reasonably construed, consistent with the manifest reason and purpose of the law." Service Armament Co. v. Hyland, 70 N.J. 550, 558-559 (1976). The State Supreme Court has "characterized the Gun Control Law as 'highly purposed and conscientiously designed toward preventing criminal and other unfit elements from acquiring firearms while enabling the fit elements of society to obtain them with minimal burdens.'" Id. at 559.
http://www.njsp.org/about/fire_hollow.html
The text from the web site:
Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.
N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:
(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].
Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).
Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:
1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
3.A person going directly to a target range, and;
4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."
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As with other ammunition and firearms, a sportsman would have to comply with the provisions of N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f and g when transporting hollow nose ammunition to a target range. The ammunition should be stored in a closed and fastened container or locked in the trunk of the motor vehicle in which it is being transported. The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range with "only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." N.J.S.A 2C:39-6g.
If the sportsman's club member plans to hunt with a rifle and use hollow nose ammunition in a state where this is permitted, he must comply with the provisions of U.S.C.A. 926A and N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f) and (6)(g), which is consistent with the federal law, in transporting the firearm and ammunition. The firearm should be unloaded and neither the firearm nor the ammunition should be readily accessible from the passenger compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the firearm and the ammunition should be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or the console. 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.
In addition, the sportsman should have a valid hunting license in his possession from the state in which he plans to hunt and should be familiar with that state's gun laws. N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f)(2) requires a person hunting in this State to have a valid hunting license in his possession while traveling to or from the hunting area. Hunting with hollow nose ammunition is permitted in New Jersey. In the case of a New Jersey resident traveling to another state to hunt, it logically would follow that the hunting license would be from the state where the hunter is going. Although the federal statute does not require possession of a hunting license, it does require that the person transporting the firearm be going to a state where possession of that object is lawful. A valid hunting license from that state effectively supplies the proof.
These conditions for use and transport of hollow nose ammunition are consistent with the legislative intent to restrict the use of such ammunition to a limited number of people. It is well established that in construing a statute exceptions are to be "strictly but reasonably construed, consistent with the manifest reason and purpose of the law." Service Armament Co. v. Hyland, 70 N.J. 550, 558-559 (1976). The State Supreme Court has "characterized the Gun Control Law as 'highly purposed and conscientiously designed toward preventing criminal and other unfit elements from acquiring firearms while enabling the fit elements of society to obtain them with minimal burdens.'" Id. at 559.
rem870hunter
New member
Pretty much everything is illegal in N.J.
not everything. its the registration and extra card you must have to buy much less own in this state. hell a BB gun or air rifle is treated like a firearm here. i recall some idiot wanting to put serial numbers on paintball guns and make you register them too :barf:. good thing that got turned down.
but the definition of a firearm is a device which propels a projectile or multiple projectiles using an explosion or explosive force.
a BB gun or air rifle doesn't use an explosion or explosive force to propel the projectile. maybe compressing of air or a spring plunger is what expels the projectile.
you must get a pistol purchasing permit for a muzzleloading pistol single shot or revolver here too. i am not sure on other states but NJ you do.
as far as hollow points we (dad and i) don't have any here. we handload 158 gr. jacketed soft points in 357 mag. for out of state hunting. the .45 auto we just use 230 gr. military ball. silvertips worked great in the .45 auto. got rid of them though.
not everything. its the registration and extra card you must have to buy much less own in this state. hell a BB gun or air rifle is treated like a firearm here. i recall some idiot wanting to put serial numbers on paintball guns and make you register them too :barf:. good thing that got turned down.
but the definition of a firearm is a device which propels a projectile or multiple projectiles using an explosion or explosive force.
a BB gun or air rifle doesn't use an explosion or explosive force to propel the projectile. maybe compressing of air or a spring plunger is what expels the projectile.
you must get a pistol purchasing permit for a muzzleloading pistol single shot or revolver here too. i am not sure on other states but NJ you do.
as far as hollow points we (dad and i) don't have any here. we handload 158 gr. jacketed soft points in 357 mag. for out of state hunting. the .45 auto we just use 230 gr. military ball. silvertips worked great in the .45 auto. got rid of them though.
Sgt.Fathead
Moderator
New Germany
I've heard the 'illegal HP' argument for years from non-gun and, surprisingly, gun folk here in NJ. I use hollow points for bowling pin shoots down at the gun club and for my HD revolvers. I buy them at NJ gun shops pretty frequently, too. If they were entirely 'illegal', would they be selling them over the counter to we civilians? Nope. The statutes are fuzzy indeed BUT we don't have CCW here so that levels it out a bit.
Off duty LEOs and corrections officers, retired LEO and the well connected, guys with PI tickets, they get to carry. BUT, (this is a favorite of mine), they do not get to carry hollow points.
A round that you shoot well consistently. Well placed shots of the appropriate caliber are the key to knocking down the bad guy(s).
On a final note, the sign on the side of Route 80 West as one heads out of NJ into PA reads "America Begins Here" and our Draconian gun laws are among the many reasons that is so true. Were it not for my family and my job, I'd be gone already. Our motto is, Tennessee in 2012!
I've heard the 'illegal HP' argument for years from non-gun and, surprisingly, gun folk here in NJ. I use hollow points for bowling pin shoots down at the gun club and for my HD revolvers. I buy them at NJ gun shops pretty frequently, too. If they were entirely 'illegal', would they be selling them over the counter to we civilians? Nope. The statutes are fuzzy indeed BUT we don't have CCW here so that levels it out a bit.
Off duty LEOs and corrections officers, retired LEO and the well connected, guys with PI tickets, they get to carry. BUT, (this is a favorite of mine), they do not get to carry hollow points.
A round that you shoot well consistently. Well placed shots of the appropriate caliber are the key to knocking down the bad guy(s).
On a final note, the sign on the side of Route 80 West as one heads out of NJ into PA reads "America Begins Here" and our Draconian gun laws are among the many reasons that is so true. Were it not for my family and my job, I'd be gone already. Our motto is, Tennessee in 2012!
Regarding the question "What is another good self defense round?" I keep my home defense pistol loaded with HP ammo. If I ever need to use it, the last thing I will worry about is if I am going to be charged for using HP's. At least I know they will be more effective at dropping the bad guy than FMJ, and I don't have to worry as much about over-penetration and hitting a family member in an adjoining room.
Hell, in NJ they would charge me for murder if I killed a home invader, so they may as well tack on the HP charge too.:barf:
Hell, in NJ they would charge me for murder if I killed a home invader, so they may as well tack on the HP charge too.:barf:
Sgt.Fathead
Moderator
I shudder to think of having to use a firearm for HD but not to the extent that I would not/will not pull the trigger.
rem870hunter
New member
ammoeater,
they may or may not charge you with murder if you shot someone in your home. the problem is how that person or persons came about being shot. did they break in? were they armed? knife,gun, bat. were they causing harm? there is a variety of things that come into play here. the police would possibly tear your home apart, ask your closest neighbors how you and your family are.
hollowpoints, armor piercing and .50 cal BMG or any type of ammo should not be illegal EVER.
the way things seem to be nowadays is a person who shoots another that broke into their home,beat and raped their wife,14 y/o daughter shot their dog and stole $20 cash. is a MURDERER :barf:. and so is the neighbor who lives right nextdoor who shoots the attacker when he hears the screams for help and the gunshots. i say thats horse potatoes. the beater/raper got what they deserved. and that beater/raper would be lucky that i wasn't the one pulling the trigger.
i do understand that killing is wrong. i am not a member of a tree hugger group, or PETA unless thats people eating tasty animals, and i am not anti war. but killing is necessary. slaughterhouses, hunters, soldiers, police officers,men women and children defending their homes and families. that type killing is not MURDER. its defense. the right to exist as much as the next person .
they may or may not charge you with murder if you shot someone in your home. the problem is how that person or persons came about being shot. did they break in? were they armed? knife,gun, bat. were they causing harm? there is a variety of things that come into play here. the police would possibly tear your home apart, ask your closest neighbors how you and your family are.
hollowpoints, armor piercing and .50 cal BMG or any type of ammo should not be illegal EVER.
the way things seem to be nowadays is a person who shoots another that broke into their home,beat and raped their wife,14 y/o daughter shot their dog and stole $20 cash. is a MURDERER :barf:. and so is the neighbor who lives right nextdoor who shoots the attacker when he hears the screams for help and the gunshots. i say thats horse potatoes. the beater/raper got what they deserved. and that beater/raper would be lucky that i wasn't the one pulling the trigger.
i do understand that killing is wrong. i am not a member of a tree hugger group, or PETA unless thats people eating tasty animals, and i am not anti war. but killing is necessary. slaughterhouses, hunters, soldiers, police officers,men women and children defending their homes and families. that type killing is not MURDER. its defense. the right to exist as much as the next person .