Holes in Anti gun theory

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NateKirk

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So I just read in the news (associated press) that there was a mass stabbing in Beijing with 27 dead and 109 injured. As horrible as that is, it should get more media attention. It should show people that access to guns is not the cause of mass attacks. Just putting it out there...
 
The anti gun lobby will say its just as well that they hadn't firearms, or more would have being killed.
 
http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=954635

Attacks by 'knife-wielding men' at a Chinese train station have left 27 people dead and 109 injured, the state news agency Xinhua reports.

Police shot dead a number of the attackers at Kunming railway station in the southwestern province of Yunnan
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Surely the reporting got this backwards - clearly the attackers were using assault rifles and the police stopped them with knives!

TomNJVA
 
It would be so nice if the Pro Gun population had there own media and TV station to counter all the BS the Anti's put out there. My mom had a saying for some people and that was-- When they open their mouth,they start to lie and when they close their mouth there done lying Hold's true with most of the Anti's and the Pres:D
 
In all truth, our argument would be deflated by pointing out that many circumstances are different in China than they are here. Different culture, different mindset, different approach to law and order...I could go on.

The incident is tragic, but it doesn't really prove anything, for either side.
 
Here's an arguement. Back to the old saying " an armed society is a polite society."
Ever seen someone shoot up a gunshow
 
Within days of Newtown, there was an attack on a school by a single individual wielding a knife and 20+ kids were injured. Amazing how fast that news story went away.

I agree with Tom, to a point. That point being that without guns, bad people will still find a way to do bad things. Look at the UK with the soldier that was hacked to death in broad daylight.

When I visited the UK last year to attend a wedding, I took advantage of the opportunity do discuss firearms with a few Brits. Many lamented the loss of their rights, some were glad to be rid of them, but all of them are concerned with "knifings" if you are in a bad part of town...
 
We fall into a trap by discussing the instrument. Violence is implicit in human nature. A person so inclined is going to use whatever means he has at his disposal. If guns are easy to access, he'll use one. If not, perhaps explosives.

Knives? Knives are commonplace and easy to get.

But these attacks didn't happen because victims didn't have guns. Nor did they happen because the aggressors found it easy to get knives. They happened because some people are simply malicious and violent.

There are no easy answers to that.
 
It was on the national news shows with little commentary beyond that it was some kind of extremist-separatist nut jobs.

I agree it offers little to us.
 
Do people get hacked to death in broad daylight in the US? Not like that in the middle of a safe part of town with tons of witnesses.

But Tom's right on this point and it's where I agree. People intent on doing bad things will find a way, a tool, an instrument. My example of knives was just to show it doesn't have to be a gun... And that in areas where gun ownership is restricted, bad guys are still going to find ways to kill people.

Want other examples? Unibomber, Boston Marathon bombing, Madrid subway bombing, use of ricin in the Tokyo subway, the lady who ran her hubby over several times with her car... Need I keep going? Banning guns will not stop bad people from finding ways. Then what? Ban knives? Cars?

But the antis don't care about those arguments. They don't like guns. Period. They are not on some quest to make the world a safer place and reduce premature death. If they were, they'd ban smoking, cars, etc.
 
Do people get hacked to death in broad daylight in the US? Not like that in the middle of a safe part of town with tons of witnesses.
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Are you trying to tell me that no one has got stabbed in broad daylight in America. ? I am sure it has happened, the people that did it in the UK wanted to be caught they waited on the police. I don't think there is a country where people don't get stabbed, I am surprised some think it doesn't happen in America.

NYC Man Stabbed to Death in Anti-Gay Attack in ( Broad Daylight Steven ) Torres, a 22-year-old Bronx man, has been charged with second-degree murder as a hate crime for stabbing 69-year-old Edward Orozco of Queens to death under the elevated 7 train subway station at 90th and Roosevelt in Queens at 1:30 pm on Monday. Initially it was thought that the motivation for the attack was the victim's cell phone, but NBC New York now reports that it was because the victim was gay.
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A camouflage-wearing thug stabbed a man to death outside the main post office in midtown Sunday because the victim bumped into him, police said.

The sidewalk encounter about 5:45 p.m. caused the thug to fly into a murderous rage and stab the 20-year-old victim twice on the steps outside the James A. Farley Post Office on Eighth Ave. near 33rd St., police said. A man-stabbed-death-( broad-daylight-) bumping-thug-post-office-penn-station-article.
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Manta, hacked to pieces in broad daylight in a safe part of town with tons of witnesses.... Uh, no. Stabbed in a bad part of town? Sure. Probably often. You are generalizing my very exacting statement, in essence building your strawman which you then can google-fu to defeat.

And you are completely missing the point. It is not the weapon, it's the person. Gun, knife, machete, fart gun... Throw in what you will (full glasses of Guiness, but that would be too sad... For the loss of Guiness.). Bad people will come up with a weapon du jour to inflict their desired effects.
 
It doesn't have to be stabbing. Look at the "knockout game" trend, or last year's "flash mobs." Some people are simply inclined towards violence. A group mentality, perhaps augmented by substance abuse or common resentment, can amplify that.

It clouds the issue to talk about gun violence when the underlying problem is violence in general. If the antis want to talk about ways to reduce the latter, I'm certainly up for that discussion.
 
Manta, hacked to pieces in broad daylight in a safe part of town with tons of witnesses.... Uh, no. Stabbed in a bad part of town? Sure. Probably often. You are generalizing my very exacting statement, in essence building your strawman which you then can google-fu to defeat.
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I am not sure how what part of town it happens matters. I was replying to a post saying about someone getting stabbed in the UK , why use the UK as an example I am sure their are plenty of examples of people getting stabbed in America. You have had terrorist attacks in America, do you think a similar stabbing incident couldn't happen in America. ? These people don't care if they are killed, if you think because some are armed in America that will stop someone doing the same thing as what happened in the UK you are kidding yourself.

And you are completely missing the point. It is not the weapon, it's the person. Gun, knife, machete, fart gun... Throw in what you will (full glasses of Guiness, but that would be too sad... For the loss of Guiness.). Bad people will come up with a weapon du jour to inflict their desired effects.
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I am not sure what point I am missing ,? as I agree with your above post.
 
I wish this forum had auto-quoting like all the other forums do, but...

"The anti gun lobby will say its just as well that they hadn't firearms, or more would have being killed. "

In reply to this statement: I really hope you don't think this wouldn't be true. Do you honestly think four guys with knives are more lethal than four guys with AK-47s?
 
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