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There has been a few folks that have asked me what it is.... I also have mentioned that I prefer to keep them alive a day or more because if a gamey taste could exist... this is an ideal way to cause it.
These are not my videos. I never owned a vid camera. The first is of my buddy from south florida. He is the guy that "legs" the hog and his catch dog is the white one in a vest, the only dog to fully catch this nice boar hog. Two of my catch dogs (the best ones) are off his yard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aSz6qUTnIs

In this second vid, the bay (curr) dogs are used to gun hunts... they lay back loose until the gun fires than get a bit gritty to keep the wounded hog from going far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRiwS45U1Bo&feature=related
Brent
 
Good dog work! But I gotta wonder about them Southern boys always grabbin' them sows by the hind legs. What's goin' on there?;)
 
Scorch, That technique is just grabbin the stinky end to stay clear of the sharp end:D The "tip" as we call it is to lift the hind legs and twist to try to put the hog on it's side. However many hogs resist this quite well and require getting in to the side and going for a front and a rear leg... Junior has learned to run and tackle... Momma would crap if she seen her little boy doing that but we keep it on the Q.T....;)
Brent
 
I have been invited to go on different hunts using dogs and I always politely decline.
I am not really a fan of using dogs in this manner---in my mind, it's not really a hunt.
I have hunted all my life and have taken my share of game--all kinds--the second video is what I really find disturbing.
Maybe if there were more dogs and "hunters" on that hog and the guy used a BIGGER knife, I would have found it more appealing.:rolleyes:
Kind of like some "hunters" that "hunt" whitetail by getting on their 4 wheelers, riding to there food pile and shooting a deer over bait with there latest biggest flatest shootin magnum---then throwing it on the rack and riding it out---real hunters.
Not for me!!

Dipper
 
Dipper, I fully respect your view... However of all the times I left the house to hunt any game I never felt the thrill of the hunt like runnin' hogs with dogs. I only posted the second vid to show another style. The way me and my buddies hunt we NEVER take a gun with us. As for a BIGGER knife??? That thing is huge! I just carry a Buck 110 folding lock blade... The hog is humanely dispatched. It is positive placement opposed to a bullet.
Many points are similar to general gun hunting, gotta find land to hunt. Than find the likely spots to expect to locate your quarry. Then you still have to "seal the deal" with a kill.
In hog doggin' we throw in a few variables... not the least of which comes up often "The best dog in the world will pick the WORST possible time to embarrass you and make you look like a liar if you brag on them..." To put in the time finding and training dogs just to find the dog cannot produce as hoped is a big let down.
We as the human have to put our dogs out in positive lookin' spots. The dogs hopefully find a hog (often times we skunk out sometimes literally:barf:). Than no matter how big and or mad the hog is we have to get in there and handle the hog so as to prevent further damage to them. If my dogs did their part and found a hog I MUST do my part and get the hog tied. No matter the risk of injury to myself.
In no other type of hunting have I had that type of pressure on me. Crawling on hands and knees thru "cat claw" vines to a catch is sure to raise your hackles. I also feel a connection to the ancient man that originally domesticated man's best friend I just have more clothes on;).
Brent
 
Dipper, I understand your sense of fair play and admire you for it. I think its a little misguided however. Running dogs isn't always the most productive and is never the cheapest way to hunt animals. I know many people think it is unsporting to drop off a dog and let it do all of the hunting, however, if you have ever hunted with dogs you know that it is far from a sure thing. The amount of time and money spent raising and training a hunting dog will pay for a 200+ inch guided whitetail hunt. The amount of time spent scouting land, locating game, and gaining permission is no less than in any other form of hunting. The sense of satisfaction and companionship in training your own dog, however, is unlike anything else.
 
I've witnessed pig dogging on many occassions & can tell you its done the same way in Australia as you guys do it. You sure have to be fit chasing after the dogs all day. Although I don't hunt with dogs, the boys that do seem to be more productive, specially in thick bush in the middle of the day when some pigs will sit & let you walk straight past without moving. I think the video clip shows the reality of hunting pigs with dogs, but by posting clips like this on the internet you may be providing animal liberation groups with ammunition to shut down the sport that you pursue.
 
Phil, I do agree but also hope those types just keep looking at youtube for them;) I have not and will not post vids of mine on you tube. Them tree huggers can kiss my back side as it is partially us hog doggers and other hunters that keep the price of their vegan lifestyle affordable. Like you said the dogs are more productive than gun hunting or trapping so we stop more tons of crop destruction than others:D
And there comes a time in the day when a man just hopes to get the dogs leashed up to go home when sure nuff... "DADGUMMIT they are bayed again!"
Brent
 
Hogdogs/Tyrajam,
I understand and appreciate your views too, it's nice to have a civil discussion about hunting with dogs ( or anything for that matter!).
Like I said, I never hunted with dogs---almost did once but then decided not to.
I grew up in rural PA in a very small town and as a youngster, about all we had to do was hunt, fish and play sports--so we started hunting pretty early on.
In PA hunting big game with dogs is illegal and IF you see a dog running deer for instance you are permitted to shoot the dog and many hunters will/do.
Some years ago my family and I moved from PA to NC where you are permitted to hunt deer/hogs with dogs.
I was invited to go to a couple of camps and see what was going on and how it was done and I did---I personally didn't care for it---here's why.

I started hunting when I was about 10 years old, if you would have asked me at 20 years of age if I was a "good" hunter I would have said " heck yeah!!" BUT I wasn't. Oh, I harvested game alright but I wasn't a "good" hunter.
I didn't become a good hunter until my 30's and after hunting with a good friend of mine who showed me an awful lot about hunting.
The biggest nicest buck I ever saw taken in PA was shot by my friend at 40 yards --the buck was laying down/hiding in a blow down and I was standing next to him when he shot it and didn't have a clue what the heck he was shooting at!! It was a nice 12 point buck that won all the pools that year and is on my buddies wall right now.
We were "still hunting" and just broke out of some pines ---my friend ALWAYS used binoculars and was glassing the blow downs ahead of us.
All of a sudden, he says don't move, takes his safety off,raises his rifle, and shoots. I'm wondering if he's lost it and ask what the heck he's doing.
He says " got em" and after a short wait, we walk to the blow down, step over some trunks and branches and I about $hit my pants when I see the buck.
Now I understand why he ALWAYS got a nice buck and am kicking myself in the a$$ wondering how many nice buck I walked by in my 1st 20 years of hunting!!
Anyway, I said, " I'll tell everyone you shot him @ 100 yards while he was running "--I was joking--he said " don't say anything but if you do, you tell just the way it happened---thats HUNTING". And it is!!
All of my hunting has been ON FOOT ---in the woods at dark--out at dark--fair hunts--me and the game---and I have humped everything out myself--I have dragged whitetails for HOURS to get them to my truck---all part of hunting---for me.
Learning the habits and haunts of your quarry, making mistakes, learning HOW to hunt, coming home exhausted and empty handed---is hunting for me.
And when your setting in camp around the fire, the stories are more interesting than--" I rode my Honda to the bait , shot the deer, and rode him out":)

Your comments about training dogs are very true---I train my Rottweilers---my male will be trailing for his SchH1 soon.
Sorry for the long post.

Dipper
 
+1 dipper

There seems to be an anything goes mentality when it comes to hogs for those in the southwest. I guess we just don't have to worry about a pest like that in the midwest. Not sure I would feel comfortable hunting with dogs.
 
I love working dogs of all breeds and can appreciate a good working dog.
Here is one of mine---my male.
He's all I can handle!!
2 1/2 years old 118lbs and very game.

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Dipper
 
That's a good looking Rotti, I like seeing that tail intact. We've got a female, 6 years and 105 pounds.

I agree with you on this issue, but I don't have hogs to worry about up here.
 
Hi Brent,

It has been illegal to dock a tail on a Rotti in Germany for about the last 9 years--can't do it---you can't show them or anything.
Most other countries have followed suit and docked tails are not permitted.
Both of Bennys parents are/were German imports from some of the best lines in Germany.
The breeder that I purchased Benny from, follows the no docking policy.
In fact, the only recognized body that still allows docked tailed Rotties is the AKC and I have heard that they are "considering" going to the no docking policy too.
You will see more and more "tailed" Rotties in the US as time goes by.
Many people that own Rotties compete in German style shows and competitions were docked tails are not allowed and if you dock your Rottie you are limited to AKC only and they are pretty limited as to trials.
Of course, back yard breeders will probably dock till the end.
Bennys blood lines are widely known and his ancestors were/ are all pink papered, SchH titled, some with Korung and his daddy was lifetime Korung---he comes from solid working stock and has all the right drives and temperament.

Dipper
 
Brent-
I just love to see dogs work, and I can assure Dipper that if he were to get behind dogs chasing a hog, he would consider it a good hunt. I have never been on a hog hunt with dogs, but I have been on a raccoon hunt with bluetick hounds, and by 2 AM I was worn out. And that was when I was in good shape! But what a hunt! There are few thing as exciting as watching a dog do what they were bred for.
 
Scorch, When you throw in gators, a few types of venomous snakes, bears bobcats, beavers and their ponds, creeks and bluffs along with the thorny vines and huge spider webs... run at full sprint in the dark with just a little headlight and many are ready to keep the truck seats warm.:D One point of note to add is that our dogs don't bark on tracks like coon hounds... We don't always know they are on a hog until they got it bayed up. Plus to see junior save his money to buy the tracking system and collars and learn to use that...
Brent
 
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