Hodgdon's New Superformance - anyone???

Yosemite Steve

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I just purchased a bottle of Hodgdon's Superformance rifle powder and would like to know if anyone is using it and how they like it.

I am shooting two separate gun's (both 30-06) and will begin testing with my old Savage 110.

For this round I will be using the 180gr. SST bullets seated .010" off the lands. My COAL is .034" longer than SAAMI. As per the Hodgdon site I am starting at 54.0 grains and working up to 59.5. I will be shooting groups of four.

If I show no pressure signs I will also try three loads with mag primers because this is a slower burning powder and my rifle is only 22". I loaded 50.0, 51.0 and 52.0 grains for these and will load more in the future if my gun likes it. I plan to work on some loads for the Enfield in the near future. It might like this powder better with it's 26" barrel.
 
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I haven't loaded with it, but did buy a couple of boxes of factory loads in 308 and 30-06 to try it. I got mixed results. Both were slower than advertised, in fact my 30-06 hand loads with H4350 were faster than the Superformance loads and a LOT more accurate.

The 308 loads were a little slower than advertised, but much faster than I've ever been able to get with hand loads. Accuracy wasn't quite as good as my hand loads, but not by much.

Based on what I've read from others who have tried it I'm also seeing mixed results. Some guys swear by it, but it hasn't worked as well for others. I'm pretty happy with what I've been using and just haven't tried it yet.

I think you may be surprised at the results you get with the 22" barrel. This powder does pretty good with shorter barrels. The 26" gun will be somewhat faster, but I'd bet less than 100 fps difference. Maybe less than 50 fps.
 
It has worked well for me in 300wsm and 150's. I have killed deer with 72.5 gr under both partitions and interbonds. I haven't chronographed them but they seem to be close to advertised velocities with the drop at range.
 
For me, developing loads with any powder is a gamble. The rifle likes it or it doesn't.

Unfortunately, only one out of four of my 06s cared for Superformance. I haven't tried it in the 308 Win and not sure if I will.

From the load data that I have looked at, I don't think you can get enough of it in an 06 case to develope over pressure conditions unless you inadvertently jammed a bullet into the lands. Thus, the reason I load nothing closer than .020" to the lands in a hunting type rifle.

Accuracy was not good enough to mess with chronographing. I always wait to chrono until I have the accuracy nailed down. Good luck with your testing.
 
For the sake of comparison, I think it’s important to note that the Superformance propellant is not the same propellant that Hornady uses to load their Superformance factory loads. As far as I can tell, the line of ammunition that comes from the Hornady uses different proprietary recipes specific to each caliber and load.


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I believe you are in error. I'm pretty sure Hodgdon negotiated with Hornady to get this powder on the market and to be able to use the Superfomance trade name, and it is why Hornady's name appears on the label. Same with Leverevoltion powder. But there is a difference in the way commercial ammunition makers develop loads and the way load manuals recommend loading powder. The SAAMI standard calls for the Maximum Average Pressure measured in testing to be the not-to-exceed pressure for an average of 10 rounds, with shot-to-shot pressure variation putting some of the 10 rounds above that number and some below it in a maximum pressure load (commercial makers don't always load to maximum pressure; they often stop wherever a particular lot of powder happens to hit their velocity target). A separate number called Maximum Extreme Variation limits how wide the spread from lowest pressure round to highest pressure round in the ten can be. They can do this because they have pressure test guns instead of published load data and therefore don't need to worry about powder lot burn rate variation.

The load manual authors do not do that. Because they have customers who rely on load data that doesn't change with powder lot burn rates, they have to use a more conservative number to avoid having customers exceed the published data when they package a faster lot of powder. This is why the maximum loads you see listed by Hodgdon, for example, have pressures that are below the limit for the cartridge. They are not allowing the highest pressure round in the 10 round sample to exceed it. The plus to this is, you can look at their data and know the powder whose maximum load is highest is the one which had the lowest pressure variation with the bullet listed in their test. But it also means their maximum pressures are lower than the maximum an ammunition maker may reach by being able to measure his particular powder lot's performance in a pressure gun. This is one of the reasons for handloads not achieving the same velocity the commercial ammunition does, even if it's loaded with the same powder and bullet.


Yosemite Steve said:
If I show no pressure signs I will also try three loads with mag primers because this is a slower burning powder and my rifle is only 22".

Barrel length doesn't dictate a change in powder burn rate until the barrel is very short. If you had a single-shot pistol or a licensed SBR in your rifle chambering that had an 8" barrel or shorter, then you might find a faster powder could produce higher velocity at the same peak pressure as a slower powder was reaching. But for normal rifle barrel lengths of 16" and up, the powder that produces the highest velocity in a long barrel will also produce the fastest velocity in a shorter barrel.

Magnum primers sometimes produce more velocity but occasionally produce lower velocity for a couple of reasons I won't get into here. What you really want to do is take a chronograph and look at velocity standard deviation. If the magnum primer makes it lower, use that. If it makes it worse, don't use it. Because magnum primers can produce higher pressure equal to around 5% increase in powder charge, always knock the powder charge down 5% when you change primers and work back up. But you may see no difference. The main thing is to use the primer that produces the lowest MV SD, and then adjust pressure and velocity with the powder charge rather than with the primer. The powder throw control is more consistent.
 
Unclenick, my theory in using the mag primer is that I have had better luck with my H450 which also burns pretty slow. I have yet to fire one round of it though and will wait and see how things go with a CCI200. I suspect that if I want to I can go over max with the extra bullet volume but it's not too important to me to get super velocity. I will try my Savage and then my Enfield. The Enfield does really well with H450 and a mag primer. The Savage did not like H450 at any load. We shall see.
 
But for normal rifle barrel lengths of 16" and up, the powder that produces the highest velocity in a long barrel will also produce the fastest velocity in a shorter barrel.

Not buying this, but I will test it this spring and get back to you ......
 
Barrel length doesn't dictate a change in powder burn rate until the barrel is very short. If you had a single-shot pistol or a licensed SBR in your rifle chambering that had an 8" barrel or shorter, then you might find a faster powder could produce higher velocity at the same peak pressure as a slower powder was reaching. But for normal rifle barrel lengths of 16" and up, the powder that produces the highest velocity in a long barrel will also produce the fastest velocity in a shorter barrel.

This does not make sense to me. As pressure rises so does burn rate. Why would this be any different with gun powder than any other propellant? A longer barrel dictates higher pressure, does it not? So with that higher pressure the powder, in theory, should burn up faster. So in a shorter barrel there is less distance for a bullet to travel, hence accelerate, and the pressure is relieved at exit before it can build to the extent that a longer barrel will. My thought is that a mag primer might help that powder combust more rapidly so that the powder might burn more completely before the bullet exits the barrel.

Now I say this with complete humility as I have not been reloading as a hobby for too long, but I did study rocket science and did developed my own rocket propellant and it is the same concept really. Increased pressure = increased burn rate. A faster burning propellant should complete it's burn in a shorter distance of bullet travel. A slower burning powder may not complete it's burn until after the bullet has left the barrel unless the pressure is increased and the burn rate is accelerated. So I think the statement that a powder that produces the highest velocity in a long barrel will also produce the fastest velocity in a shorter barrel is dependent on the powder burning completely before the bullet exits.

My understanding of what Hodgdon is trying to accomplish with Superformance is the same that rocket propellant engineers are trying to accomplish: Uniformity in pressure throughout the burn. A powder charge has only so much energy. The most efficient way to utilize that energy is by maintaining the most consistent pressure for the duration of the burn. The properties of any given propellant vary in how much pressure increase affects burn rate increase. In a shorter barrel the slower burning powder may not be able to spend it's energy completely unless it has more initial pressure.
 
I went to the range today. It was cold! 15F. I was shooting 3 guns so I did not get all my loads shot up. I did get my first five loads of Superformance shot and chrono'd. :D https://www.dropbox.com/s/iz4inil6ahphdec/20180101_193634_resized.jpg?dl=0

The starting load of 54 grains was the best so far with a 1/2" vertical x 3/4" horizontal 4 shot group. The 55 grain group wasn't as bad as it looked because the one low shot was a flinch from the guy shooting next to me. They continued to open up. I was .005 off the lands and showed some flatness on all of the primers with no cratering. The velocities were slower but I expected that with my shallow seating depth. I plan to reload this same group of bullets and start again on a warmer day and see if anything changes. It might be hard to tell.
 
Unclenick - Thanks for the correction, seriously! I think I may have read something on the internet and believed it. :rolleyes:

It seems that the majority, if not all, of the Superformance factory loads are at the upper end of velocity ranges for their given cartridge. So does it follow that the H Superformance powder is a high velocity specific powder?
 
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