HK Tactical in 38 Casull

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I was thinking about contacting Bar-Sto to have a 38 Casull barrel made for my HK Tactical. The 38 Casull is essentially a necked down 45 ACP to 9mm. It is said to move a 147 gr, bullet at almost 1800 fps.

Can anyone think of any negatives to this? BTW, Don't ask why, I just like being a little different.
 
I said something on another thread about .40 Super and got flamed to death. Maybe since I did not explain myself. Said a few words and it was as though I shoved some pins up someone a$$. Not that anyone is going to listen anyway. Right! Man got to do what a mans got to do. :)

The HK, Sig, Glock, you name them. They are all great guns. That is, for what they were designed to shoot. In our little world of handguns, everyone is looking for more firepower in lighter packages and the industry is giving it to us. Company engineers are finding better ways to make lighters receivers and cutting better light weight slides. They are pushing the envelope with these cartridges and there is the occasional failure that we all hear about. In most any industry, three percent defective rate due to structural failure is acceptable. And I've seen them all break and we have all read about them here in these forums.

HK's are designed to shoot 45 acp, 45 acp +P and can handle large doses of 45 Super. The .38 Casull, like .40 Super, has almost twice the throttle of that 45 cartridge. The stresses on the gun are that much greater. How long before that gun has a catastrophic failure due to the extra stresses of that cartridge? I saw the .38 Casull at Shot Show and it is not your run of the mill 1911. It is a pretty beefed up gun. And, if I remember correctly, it even came with spare parts that were expected to fail after a certain amount of discharges. Just can't remember which parts and how often.

In the case of the HK, I would guess that the slide would fail before the receiver. Maybe? :D HK's have that weird cut on the side of the slide, just above the rail. If you decide to do it, keep your eyes on the rails where the guide rod cover meets that rail. That is the weakest part of the gun (it's a hard point) and were some of the largest stresses are. Check it regularly from the inside.

Good Luck!

Robert

[Edited by Robert the41MagFan on 05-31-2001 at 02:06 AM]
 
I remember when it was cool to put a big block in a Pinto. Body panels buckled and the front widow popped out from the twist/torque. I have a feeling it's a similar idea...not that I'm calling the Hk a Pinto :)
 
Wellllll....I see your point, but it was cool to put big-blocks in Vegas, too, and it worked. Pintos are just plain crap. :)

This is more like a big-block in a Fox-body Mustang. If you do it right, it could probably work. Unfortunately I don't know how to do it right so I can't help you.

I can tell you that the .38 Casull 1911 is not only heavily beefed, but carries a 33-lb. recoil spring.

OTOH, that gun isn't ported, is it? Maybe the right kind fo porting could help with felt recoil and slide velocity. Isn't that what they do to Glock 21's for the .45 Super?

(And for all you Glock guys, yes, I'm aware that many of you don't think that's "necessary." I'm just asking if they do it and if it makes a difference.)
 
What about necking the 45 down to a .17???
Just think of the stopping power! The muzzle flash!!!
Would never have to worry about PD ambushes again.


Tough part though would be to come up with a good name for it. The 17 Whizbang?

Someone already took the 10mm and necked it down to 22 [LEO & military only they say] and they fit that into the 1911 and Glock 20. Think it was call 224 Boz or something like that.
 
What's the difference between a hand gun and a hand grenade?

None if you miscalculate slightly...

Don't try to do it yourself with any cartridge that ends in Casull.

If you want the performance, pay for the quality up front. Shortcuts aren't an option at the pressures that Mr. Casull likes to run in his cartridge/gun combos.
 
If you don't already own a .357 Sig I would try that before stepping up to something as exotic as the 38 Casull.
 
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