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bergie

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Anybody shot one of the semi-autos, Red Lion, Gold Lion? Looked at one of each in a shop, very nice looking shotguns, esp. the wood on the Gold Lion. Went to the HK website, they have new models out (Mark II) with a new gas system. The ones that I saw are old models, wondering if anybody knows what changes were made and why? CDNN has the old models on closeout, $399, and $469. I could have a buddy order me one and get it for less than $500, saving me a couple hundred over what that other shop has them tagged at.
Any comments?
bergie
 
I'd say HK has too much to risk with partnering with a company that makes junky guns. The mag capacity was a little low (2 shells). They seem nice, but I don't own one. I have the feeling that this is one of those quirky guns you will learn to appreciate for its strengths, hidden and apparent. I would like to know what they changed as well.
 
Over-and-Under Specifications   Magazine
capacity Barrel
Length
(in.) Overall
Length
(in.) Weight
(lbs.) Chokes Stock
Max Lion Light n/a 24 42.5 7.2 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Max Lion Light
20 gauge n/a 24 42.5 7 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Max Lion n/a 26 43.25 7.4 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Max Lion n/a 28 45.25 7.6 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Max Lion n/a 30 47.25 7.8 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Max Lion
20 Gauge n/a 26 43.25 6.8 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Max Lion
20 Gauge n/a 28 45.25 7 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Sporting Clays
Competition n/a 30 48.5 7.8 C,IC,M,
IM,F* deluxe
walnut
Sporting Clays
Comp. 20 gauge n/a 28 45.3 7 C,IC,M,
IM,F* deluxe
walnut
Sporting Clays
Comp. Extra n/a 30 48.5 7.8 C,IC,M,
IM,F,SS-F,SS-M* deluxe
walnut
Sporting Clays
Comp. Extra n/a 28 46.5 7.8 C,IC,M,
IM,F,SS-F,SS-M* deluxe
walnut
Silver Lion n/a 26 43.25 7.2 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Silver Lion n/a 28 45.25 7.5 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Silver Lion n/a 30 47.25 7.7 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Silver Lion
20 Gauge n/a 26 43.25 6.8 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Silver Lion
20 Gauge n/a 28 45.25 7.1 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Silver Lion
Cub 20 n/a 24 39.45 6 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Camo Turkey n/a 20 37.2 7.5 ported chokes
ultra full camo covered walnut
Ultra Mag Lion n/a 28 47.3 7.9 C,IC,M,
IM,F,SS-F,SS-M* black colored walnut
Ultra Camo
Mag Lion n/a 28 47.3 7.9 C,IC,M,
IM,F,SS-F,SS-M* camo covered walnut
Super Light Lion n/a 24 41.25 6.5 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Super Light
Lion Cub n/a 24 39.3 6 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut *Cylinder, Improved Cylinder, Modified, Improved Modified,
Full, SS-F (Steel Shot-Full), SS-M (Steel Shot-Modified)
Specifications and models subject to change without notice.
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Single Barrel Specifications   Magazine
capacity Barrel
Length
(in.) Overall
Length
(in.) Weight
(lbs.) Chokes Stock
Monotrap n/a 30 48.5 6 M,IM,F*
competition
chokes oil
finished
walnut *Modified, Improved Modified, Full
Specifications and models subject to change without notice.
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Pump-Action Specifications   Magazine
capacity* Barrel
Length
(in.) Overall
Length
(in.) Weight
(lbs.) Chokes Stock
FP6 5 20 41.2 6.7 Cylinder,
barrel threaded
for chokes Polymer
FP6 Carbon
Fiber Coated 5 20 41.2 6.5 Cylinder,
barrel threaded
for chokes Polymer
FP6 5 14 33.75 6.4 Cylinder Polymer *Magazine capacity given for 2.75 inch shells, size variations among some brands may result in less capacity.
Specifications and models subject to change without notice.
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Side-by-Side Specifications   Magazine
capacity Barrel
Length
(in.) Overall
Length
(in.) Weight
(lbs.) Chokes Stock
Classic lion
Grade I n/a 28 46.5 7 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Classic lion
Grade I n/a 30 48.5 7.1 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Classic lion
Grade II n/a 28 46.5 7.2 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut
Classic lion
Grade II n/a 30 48.5 7.3 C,IC,M,
IM,F* walnut *Cylinder, Improved Cylinder, Modified, Improved Modified, Full,
Specifications and models subject to change without notice.
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Semi-Automatic Specifications   Magazine
capacity* Barrel
Length
(in.) Overall
Length
(in.) Weight
(lbs.) Chokes Stock
Gold Lion
Mark II 2 24 44.25 6.9 C,IC,M,
IM,F** oil finished walnut w/olive grip cap
Gold Lion
Mark II 2 26 46.25 7 C,IC,M,
IM,F** oil finished walnut w/olive grip cap
Gold Lion
Mark II 2 28 48.25 7.2 C,IC,M,
IM,F** oil finished walnut w/olive grip cap
Red Lion
Mark II 2 24 44.25 7 C,IC,M,
IM,F** gloss
walnut
Red Lion
Mark II 2 26 46.25 7.1 C,IC,M,
IM,F** gloss
walnut
Red Lion
Mark II 2 28 48.25 7.2 C,IC,M,
IM,F** gloss
walnut
Sporting Clays Lion 2 28 48.25 7.2 C,IC,M,
IM,F** oil finished walnut w/olive grip cap
Sporting Clays Extra 2 28 49.50 7.2 C,IC,M,
IM,F,LM,LF**
competition
chokes
oil finished walnut w/olive grip cap
Sporting Clays Extra 2 30 5.1 7.3 C,IC,M,
IM,F,LM,LF**
competition
chokes
oil finished
walnut with
olive grip cap
Camo Lion 2 24 44.25 7 C,IC,M,
IM,F** camo covered
walnut
Camo Lion 2 26 46.25 7.1 C,IC,M,
IM,F** camo covered
walnut
Camo Lion 2 28 48.25 7.2 C,IC,M,
IM,F** camo covered
walnut *Magazine capacity given for 2.75 inch shells, size variations among some brands may result in less capacity.
**Cylinder, Improved Cylinder, Modified, Improved Modified, Full,
Light Modified, Light Full, SS-F (Steel Shot-Full), SS-M (Steel Shot Modified)
Specifications and models subject to change without notice.


See what I mean about mag capacity? 2 shells only, 2 3/4" only.


They come standard with something like the Vang Comp system.
 
Why would I need more than 2 in the mag? The limit on pheasants is only 3. ;) and I wouldn't have to worry about plugging it for waterfowl. Seriously, that is not a problem for me, rarely does the situation arise that I would ever put off more than three shots when hunting birds, even if one is a miss, that still means I got two birds. You learn to make your shots count when you learn to shoot with a 20 gauge bolt action. Neither is the 2 3/4" chamber, I've never had anything but that, max loaded 5 shot 2 3/4" out of a full choke will take care of those spooky far-flushing late season roosters as well as a 3"

Went in and checked it out again yesterday. The Gold Lion that I looked at had some of the nicest wood I've ever seen on a shotgun and the overall fit and finish were excellent. It felt very light and well balanced. I'm just trying to decide if I can afford another shotgun right now, a buddy just offered me a deal on a carbine that I would really like to have.
bergie
 
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