History Channel... “Sniper: Bulletproof”

Mike38

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Anyone seen this show? Not bad, as TV shows go, but there was one thing that made me say out loud, “Come on now!”

One part they told about a Police Sniper in Alaska that was called to take out a guy holding a hostage. They told all about his rifle. .308, custom built, capable of putting a shot anywhere with in ¼ inch at 100 yards. Ya, okay, I can live with that. Then they show a close up of the actor holding the rifle. It had a Bushnell scope on it. Come on now! If you are going to have a $2-3000 custom built Sniper rifle, you sure as heck aren’t going to put a $100 scope on it.

I’m not bashing Bushnell scopes, I have one on a 10/22 and it’s held up fine for over 15 years now. But on a Sniper rifle? I know it’s just TV, but don’t they have someone a bit more knowledgeable in their prop department?
 
I know it’s just TV, but don’t they have someone a bit more knowledgeable in their prop department?

Nope. They also portrayed the US military landing on Normandy armed with Mosin 91/30's. Haven't seen it myself but have heard they did a thing on Bonnie and Clyde in which an SKS makes an appearance.
 
Most of these type shows are designed to entertain Joe Public. The regular person watching only sees the action. The reenacted portions use the props at hand to loosely tell the story. Clouding the truth with facts only makes for boring TV.
 
Most of these type shows are designed to entertain Joe Public. The regular person watching only sees the action. The reenacted portions use the props at hand to loosely tell the story. Clouding the truth with facts only makes for boring TV.

I watched a bit of the show for the first time last night. I saw a couple segments and would completely agree that it is entirely about entertainment.
 
I don't like to comment on POST LE SHOOTINGS, having not been there, BUT, in this case I was there.

As mentioned in the show, the guy had a bomb strapped to him so of course the Bomb Squad was on hand............I was the senior bomb tech.

There were some things on the show that made me think I was watching a completely different incident.

APD doesn't call there unit SWAT, its CRT, a minor point. CRT wanted to shoot the bandit from the git go thinking the bomb was a hoax. I talked to people who knew the bandit, and what I learned and what the bandit said about the device, convinced me that it was real.

Another point, there was no reason to shoot the guy. Sure he was getting in his vehicle, but he had a long driveway before he could get to the street. This was a semi rural area, not a trailer park per se. That drive way was blocked by police cars, He couldn't have gotten out in the vehicle.

I wont address Mew (who is now the Chief of APD), I'll address APD's CRT in general. They were taught that LE SNIPERS USE HEAD SHOTS, NOT BODY OR COM shots. Also from the git go they were taught synronized shots, only 'two shots at the same time" I know this because that's what I taught.

When Walker (CRT Cmdr) started the program, he went to the Army for rifle training. The Army sent him to the Guard as the Army at Ft Richardson use the AK NG Sniper Program. I was in the NG and was running the marksmanship program, including the sniper schools. My boss told Walker that they, the NG would support the training but the instructor would come from the Departments own............that be me. (side note: I got paid twice, once from the department, once from the Guard).

When I instructed the school (don't remember if Mew was one of the original CRT members or not) they had Mini 14s, which didn't work. They weren't capable of precision fire. I recommended they switch to M16a1s. (They could get for nothing via grants because of the switch over to the 'A2s) Walker wanted to stick with the Mini 14s. I believe and told him so, that the only reason he didn't want M16s is because the Troopers were using M16s.

The eventually did go to M16s and MP5s. But didn't practice enough to really give the guys confidence with their rifles. Most any good bolt gun is capable of head shots to 300 yards. The Rem. Varmint in 308 (which is really what they used) was certainly capable.

I wont go into details of the rifle training, but to say it certainly wasn't COM shooting in hostage situations.

Lessons learned from this incident: Listen to the bomb tech in dealing with bombs. If the road's blocked, the bandit isn't going to drive away. And most of all if you have any Sharpshooters in your department, PRACTICE, practice constantly until the shooter has total confidence with his rifle, zero, and ammo.

In my career in LE Sniping, and EOD I've studied a lot of Sniper VS. Bandits with bombs attached. Most have gone bad, there is a certain shot where they can be disabled and not trigger the device, but even then, some are set up like booby traps and nothing you can do will keep the device from going off.

In short, you can pretty much assume the device WILL go off if you shoot the bandit, make your decision accordingly.

However, the incident we are discussing was different. It had to be triggered by the bad guy. Three shots (I don't remember it taking three but could have) did not disable the bandit and he was allowed to set off the device, putting the hostage in danger (it was pure luck he got away) we certainly didn't save him. The way the device was triggered, a head shot in this case probably would have ending the situation without the device going off.

As it was we (the bomb squad) got to spend the rest of the afternoon and most of the night in post blast investigation with included police up itty bitty body parts that were scattered for a while.

Anyway, take these shows with a gain of salt, I couldn't swear to it before but in this case, having been there, I know what happens and whats put out in the show is as different as night and day. But what can you expect from the History Channel who at one time reported Franklin Roosevelt on Mount Rushmore.
 
I really don't think the prop guy is going to go out of his way to find an exact replica of the rifle and its accessories. The show isn't about the snipers' scopes; it's about the situations they found themselves in, and the tactics they used to resolve those situations. For that purpose a Red Rider BB gun with a toilet paper tube taped to the top would have sufficed.
 
The show isn't about the snipers' scopes; it's about the situations they found themselves in, and the tactics they used to resolve those situations.

True to a point. But that wasn't the case in this segmet anyway.

Best example. When dealing with a bomb suspect, after he is neturalized, SWAT dosn't run into his building. Bomb Techs do........only don't "charge in".

If you watched the whole story, SWAT ran into the building. That didn't happen. The bomb squad entered, and after secured, the crime scene was processed by investigators and bomb techs.
 
Nope. They also portrayed the US military landing on Normandy armed with Mosin 91/30's. Haven't seen it myself but have heard they did a thing on Bonnie and Clyde in which an SKS makes an appearance.
That Bonnie and Clyde SKS incident also has a Ruger P89 standing in for a Colt 1911.

A couple years back, they tried to pass a silver Mitsubishi Starion off as a DeLorean DMC-12.

The History Channel doesn't care about historical fact. They only care about how entertaining they can make their dramatized (semi-historical) stories, while using the cheapest props possible. (Or the props most recognized and understood by the audience....)
 
A starion is pretty close

But I can't stand when I see a bb gun in place of a real gun, especially when you can see the peice that holds the co2 cartridge in
 
You guys are just asking too much. Prop accuracy isn't important. Even if it was, do you guys realize the difficulty that would be encountered making certain that every prop in a program acceptable to critical experts?

Time and money are necessary to get hold of exactly the right clothing, guns, cars, watches, etc, to make something truly authentic, and time and money are precious commodities.

If a program about major league baseball doesn't use official bats, balls, gloves, genuine jerseys, etc, does it really matter?

When I go to a civil war re-enactment, it's nice to see the original equipment. I don't mind if people use reproductions. It's not going to bother me to see that some of the soldiers are using different variations on their weapons or gear. It's all good, because I'm there to learn, observe, and get a gestalt of the whole thing, not do research.

When I see someone charging down the hill in denim with his 94 winchester, that will bother me.

Maybe I'm too open minded, but that's the way I see it.
 
Briandg, you have a valid point. But surely the props people have a black permanent marker, or a can of black paint, and could have covered the big white B on the windage cap.

And this wasn’t a “high end” Bushnell scope. It looked very much like the $35 one I have on a .22LR. Police Snipers do not use $35 scopes.

Maybe I’m expecting too much, but I would think someone that calls themselves “The History Channel” would pay a little more attention to detail. Then again, their props people probably get paid minimum wage, so what do they expect.

Oh well, it’s humorous none the less.
 
Prop accuracy isn't important.
Right, unless the story is about the prop in question, it really isn't a big deal.

Even if it was, do you guys realize the difficulty that would be encountered making certain that every prop in a program acceptable to critical experts?

I have a buddy who knows tires (and I thought I was boring at parties). He can tell you just about every kinds of tire that belongs on a given vintage of common vehicle and can look up what goes on less common vehicles. Suffice it to say that virtually all the tires you see on WWII Jeeps that are portrayed in re-enactments are wrong. Why? Because they aren't made anymore. Strangely, nobody here is crying about why the 1943 Willys Jeep is driving on 1999 tires and proclaiming prop accuracy isn't important. None of y'all probably cared one iota that the tires weren't correct and it didn't affect the story, did it?

The story is the same regardless of whether the correct tires are used or correct guns as virtually none of the stories rely on the tires or guns being a central issue.

A lot of the History Channel's re-enactments use re-enactors for a lot of the extras' roles and for a lot of the B-roll imagery and the re-enactors bring their own gear. Here again a buddy of mine has been involved in doing this expect he does Civil War and Vietnam re-enactments. Everyone tries to have the right gear for the period in question, but not everyone has all the right gear, necessarily for a particular battle that occurred during a particular year.

If a program about major league baseball doesn't use official bats, balls, gloves, genuine jerseys, etc, does it really matter?

Right. If the story isn't specifically about the particular artifacts, it may be a bit annoying, but it doesn't really matter.

With that said, there was one of the HC's reenactments that did bother me. It was about one of the battles in the Pacific and they have a guy manning a machinegun. During the scene where he is firing, they pan through his arc of spent cases to the large pile of spent brass and you can see they the brass is all crimped brass for firing blanks. It was at that moment I realized that the Japanese should have been able to overrn his position, but he stopped most of them with blanks. It was worth a good laugh.
 
I dredged this up because I hadn't seen the program and just watched it.

I started to start a thread on it, but did a search first.

I thought all in all it was a fairly decent show. As others have noted, I noticed some of the less than accurate props, but that happens in TV re-enactments all the time.

I was duly impressed by the 1.54 Mile .338 Lapua finale. It took him a while to get ranged in(understandable) but that was great holding when he hit the second machine gunner with the very next shot.

kraigwy said:
I don't like to comment on POST LE SHOOTINGS, having not been there, BUT, in this case I was there.

Good story Kraig. That segment perplexed me. I couldn't figure out why a head shot wasn't attempted, especially at that distance. Lucky it all turned out okay.
 
Happens all the time. One guy on Swamp People clearly loaded a rusty tube fed thing and then shouldered a new stainless steel Ruger, didn't shoot and then had the rusty one again for the shot...
 
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