High Standard Model B WW2 Navy TRADE?

Orion61

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Hi all I have a question about a pistol I received from a Widow of an old Navy man who was my Neighbor and friend for decades. PLEASE bare with me as I am new here and a novice. It is a .22 semi auto B, I would like to know it's ball park value. I realize it is tough and depends a lot on condition. There is decent bluing on it probably, 85% or better. It has a bit of lite pitting but does not appear to be from rust but as it came from the Factory. It does say property of the US and there is a Navy ships steering wheel stamped on the side.The bore is beautiful, clean and bright, rifling is sharp and very crisp. It has the stock black grips with brass screw bezels. He said he brought it home after the War, cleaned it up oiled it , & wrapped it in a sock. beside being taken out once a year, working the action and oiling, it set in there until 8 years ago. I even have a can of WW2 military Bore cleaner with it.
I looked up the Date code and it looks to be about 1941. It fits the story he gave about being in Pearl Harbor during the Japanese bombing. He was a Navy man and the Pistol here was issued to him.
It has the longer barrel and it shoots like a dream, it is exceedingly accurate for it's age.
I was wondering also if trading it for a Winchester 30/30 would be an OK deal? I am more of a rifle guy and always wanted a 30/30 or a Marlin 30/30.
to hang above my Fireplace. I haven't talked to local dealers but don't want to get taken. I thought it might be nice to have his name and the history of what Walter and the gun went through. I can probably take some pictures but don't know how to load them???:( I am a bit torn since he specifically wanted me to have it and not either of his Sons. It could be that He was a Family friend and he watched me grow up. I used to spend a lot of time with him talking about the War. I also took over a lot of duties for he and his Wife when he got sick, mowing, minor home repair, I even replaced a timing chain and gears for him in his old Chevy he loved. I new he loved that old car and they really didn't have much money. You should have seen his face when I brought the car back. I detailed the whole car, inside and out. I even fixed a couple small rust spots and repainted them. I think I loved that 1959 Chevy Impala as much as he did (in his words "There will never be a better Engine than the little 283 V8")! All these little tasks were done free of charge, and ended up with an hour or so BS session lol. He wasn't supposed to drink but he always used it as an excuse to have one Beer with me.. Wasn't polite for a Man to let another Man drink alone, His Wife pretended to have a fuss but gave in to him with a little wink to me.
When he had his stroke I found out he hadn't had any visitors, I took his Wife up (she never learned to drive), and they wouldn't let me in but Donna looked at them and said He's his Son for crying out loud so I got in, That meant a lot to me... He was gone a month later.. Aw heck I'm getting kind of misty here... SO for now..
I very much appreciate any help. Please feel free to Message me for any information or questions or pictures if it would help, that isn't a big deal.
Larry Duane Beach
 
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It might not be worth a lot but that's definitely a gun I wouldn't consider selling if it were me.

Ballpark $400-600 but I'm sure someone much more knowledgeable will be along shortly to help.

Thanks for taking the time to share the story. :)
 
Absolutely NOT! .30-30s, whether Winchester or Marlin, are a dime a dozen. A U.S. property marked pistol of any kind is worth far more than any newer lever action gun, not to mention that the former owner wanted YOU to have it.
 
I had not realized that. The way prices are rising I figured that the Mod 94 would too. I also only figured the B was worth only $150-$200.00.
Surprises on both parts.
I have been sitting here and watching my 2 Winchester 9422's go from $400.00
(or under) 10 yrs ago to the sky's the limit now. I saw one like mine in a Gun shop for $800.00!!!??? They are great, but THAT great??
 
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2012/6/18/hi-standard-military-model-b-us/

I would keep the HS especially with the history you have with it. And why would you want to get rid of it if he specifically wanted YOU to have it?

A neighbor was very friendly with a former neighbor when he lived in another state. The former neighbor willed a very beautiful, running Jaguar XJSC Landaulet to him because they would spend a lot of time in the shop together. The neighbor got the car, had a little work done to it, and sold it off. So now he has ~$12,000 in his pocket to remember his friend by. What a fricking waste.
 
He wanted him to have it for what its worth. If it's worth for the money or the shooting value or hold it value. It doesn't mean he can't do what he wants with this item. If it's worth a lot of money I would sell it, and buy anything I actually wanted. Is the reason why anyone leaves you anything IMHO.
 
I have been sitting here and watching my 2 Winchester 9422's go from $400.00
(or under) 10 yrs ago to the sky's the limit now. I saw one like mine in a Gun shop for $800.00!!!??? They are great, but THAT great??

9422s are out of production; 94 .30-30s are not, unless they are the much touted "pre-64.":rolleyes:
 
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A lot depends on condition, but a US Property marked Model B can go up to $800 or even a bit more, retail.

The mark you took for a ships wheel is actually the Army Ordnance acceptance stamp; it represents a gunner's belt and crossed cannons. The Army was charged with small arms contracting for all the services, which is why the Army Ordnance stamp was put on the gun at the factory.

Jim
 
Thanks for the info.. I just presumed it was a wheel since he was in the Navy.
I know the reasoning for sentiment, it is also is hard to look at without bringing
sadness.
I looked around at 94 30/30 prices on Gun Broker ect and most were in the $500-$800 range, I also look at the practical point of needing a Deer Rifle for the Timber I would be in. Also the Missus doesn't have a problem with having long arms in the house but doesn't want a pistol. She has gotten a bit better to
have me keep it, but states we have a 12 yr old in the house.
I have a locking trigger guard on it but it is a mental thing.
I appreciate all the opinions.. I also don't want her to see your appraisals,
Shell want me to sell it, which I WILL NOT do.
Thanks.
Larry
 
Hrm...I thought all the military B's were given to WAC's & WAVES??

That pistol might have had more back-story than she knew ;)

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Oh, and after the sadness leaves, you will treasure that pistol like none other...
it was hard to shoot my grandfather's guns after he passed...at first...
now it's more like a religious experience when I take his old Marlin 336
out to hunt with...never felt closer to him or nature :)
 
"Marlin Specialist
Calico Specialist
A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool."
Now that's the best signature I've seen here:D

Part of me was just plain MAD at his kids for not lifting a finger to help him, but the longer I was around him the more I cherished his time.
As far as trading it, I have pretty much decided not to.
I got hurt at work and now am disabled, I cant afford a new rifle but have quite a few I could pick from to trade, the Wife is just going to have to live with it.
I would appreciate any of you that may have an extra 94 would be welcome to look over my inventory to see if there is something else in the right range to compare with. Like I said I don't know values. PM me if anybody could help me further. Thanks for your help!
 
I looked around at 94 30/30 prices on Gun Broker ect and most were in the $500-$800 range,

Were these prices for new guns? If not, they seem quite high. My LPS often has Win. 94s that come in and get sold for under $400.00. I would suggest that you start making trips to your local gun/pawn shops and see what's available.

Also, there are many new superior bolt type guns in better calibers on the market that would be really great for deer hunting that are far less than your $500-800 Winchesters.
 
Those were used prices. But Guns seem to have gone a bit crazy in the past 5 years. Like I said when I saw my Winchester 9422 XLT's (2 of them) selling for $800.00 EX I was a bit more than shocked. makes sense now a couple years ago I bumped into a Dealer and he offered me $300, then $400.00, then $500.00 for one.at a Farm auction where I got a really super nice Mosin Nagant W/Laminated stock for $120.00, Beautiful Bright and Shiny bore, measuring it, looked to be unfired. He bid it up to $85, then some other Joker picked up where he left off. Well I guess I have my Marlin Mod 1894 Carbine but it is .357 Mag and I'm not sure it would be powerful enough at 75 yards.
I could use the Mosin and have a crutch if I twisted my ankle..
I almost forgot I have a British Lee Enfield with a fairly worn bore, but good enough at that distance. Both of them would be cumbersome. But for other trades I have a really clean Remington Mod 24 in .22 Short W/the deflector clip that is usually missing 1930 in 80-90%.
Also a Remington Over/Under made in japan 12 gauge
a 1930 Belgium Browning (not Sweet 16) that is clean..
Also have a minty S&W 622 in the box with 3 clips, brushed bright finish.
other old shotguns, & pump .22.. I just have NO clue as to their values????
I also have a Great Lyman Great Plains, and 4 or 5 other Flinters.
You guys are great, I Sincerely appreciate your time. You didn't have to help me but you did, without talking down to me like a Dummy (which I am).
 
Unfortunately, the retail prices in stores or on-line are what folks are asking for the guns, not what they will give you for them. That is the way the world works, and probably will until one of the presidential candidates is elected and brings us the promised paradise on Earth.

Pawn shops generally are the worst; a seller is lucky to get 25% of the retail value. Gun shops do a bit better, and consignment is sometimes a good deal. Best, of course, is a direct private sale (where legal); usually a seller can get 75% or more of retail. Antique and collector gun sales, oddly enough, do rather well, partly because no dealer is going to buy a currently-made used gun from a customer for more than he can buy a new one from his distributor.

Jim
 
I don't know enough about rifles to advise you, but this . .

Aw heck I'm getting kind of misty here.

. . . tells me that this . . .

As far as trading it, I have pretty much decided not to.

. . . was the right decision. That pistol is absolutely and completely irreplaceable and therefore priceless. You would have deeply regretted selling or trading it.

Did anyone else notice that in the picture posted by Big Shrek, the woman on the far right is pointing the pistol right at the camera with an ornery look on her face? Bad form from a safety standpoint, but cracked me up.
 
As I posted earlier, the 9422s are out of production for some years now.

I was in my LPS today and they have a Marlin 336 in decent condition with a scope mount for $299.99.

You need to look around before you buy, and don't assume anything on Gunbroker is true market value.
 
I think some of these were given to Naval Officers because big bore Arms can do a lot more damage inside a Boat than a .22.
But I had never thought of it, because he never said he actually had it issued to him but said he got it when he first got in the Navy.. I assumed it..
But Assume makes an "Ass of U and Me" That just gave me something else to check out. I am going to have to try and find out if his Wife knows any details.
 
Orion61 said:
I think some of these were given to Naval Officers because big bore Arms can do a lot more damage inside a Boat than a .22.
I've always heard that the Navy .22s were used more or less solely for marksmanship training. I've seen a nifty photo of then-ADM Chester Nimitz target-shooting with one on the deck of a ship early in WWII.

I'm skeptical of the claim that the Navy would have issued .22 pistols for fear of damage inside a ship, as most of the interior partitions in a WWII-era U.S. warship would probably be impervious to .30-06 AP, much less .45 ACP hardball. :)

Then again, when you write "Boat", are you talking about submarines? (In U.S.N. parlance, any surface vessel larger than a patrol boat is generally referred to as a "ship", but subs—even the huge nuclear ones that carry SLBMs—are traditionally called "boats" during casual conversation despite being formally classified as ships; perhaps I'm reading more into your post than I should. :rolleyes:)
 
The Navy issued .38s (remember the story of the AD from the Victory M&P that was dropped on shipboard and prompted Smith to redesign the lockwork to include a hammer block?), and also 1911s, as witnessed by those marked "Model of 1911 US Navy."
 
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