high eye relief scopes

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Hey Everyone!

I recently started shooting my mosin nagant more seriously and I'm starting to realize that if I wanna shoot any farther than 100yards I'm gonna need a scope. As I'm sure most of you know, the mosin makes using a standard scope a little difficult. So what I need is a lead on a relatively cheap scope with a high eye relief so I can look through without having my eye right on the scope. I dont need anything fancy. Just something that can go on a weaver rail and give me a little more zoom than my irons.

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks All!!!!:D
 
Leupold scopes have the most forgiving eye relief of any brand. Most will be close to 5" set on the lower powers, compared to 3"-3.5" on many scopes. Other than going to a pistol or scout type scope this is your best bet.

Lots of folks don't like them but Leupold's budget line of Riflemen scopes can be had for under $200. I often see the better VX-2's selling used for well under $200 as well. While the glass in the Riflemen line is not as good as the glass in other $200 scopes. The other $200 and under scopes have very short eye relief, and still don't have the hard earned Leupold reputation for working under the harshest conditions.
 
ok.

I was actually looking for something of the scout scope variety anyway. So when you say 5", are you talking about the distance away from the scope you can be and still see clearly? Or is that something else?

Thanks for the quick reply.
 
My Zeiss Conquest has amazing eye relief on it. So does my swarovski, but that may be a little out of your price range! ;)
 
You are going to need a scout scope they are listed as EER scopes, eye relief 10 to 12 inches I believe. Used on revolvers and pistols mostly

Jim
 
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My Zeiss Conquest has amazing eye relief on it. So does my swarovski, but that may be a little out of your price range!
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Cool dude! You showed off you had two expensive scopes but didn't help the OP in the least! Go on with your bad self cool dude!
 
"...if I wanna shoot any farther than 100yards I'm gonna need a scope..." Nope. You do need to know how to adjust the sights and the ballistics of the ammo. A scope just lets you see the target better.
Have a look here. http://www.surplusrifle.com/russianmosin189130/index.asp
In any case, your eye should never be 'right on the scope'. You'd need a mount and rings too. Adding either will drop the value of your rifle as well.
 
My Zeiss Conquest has amazing eye relief on it
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Good scopes, but with only 4" of eye relief they are only about average on that count.

Most Swarovski scopes have only about 3.5" of eye relief, making them worse than average.
 
@T. O'Heir

Thanks for the link, I'll have to give that a try
I understand that the irons do have the ability to shoot at farther targets, but my eyesight can be described as poor on a good day so I need a little helping actually seeing the target and in a little more detail.

As far as the mount and rings go, I have that covered. I found a set of rings and a weaver mount made for mosins that just replace the rings already there. Was simple enough to put on an seems to hold my red dot in a stable fashion.

Again this is just a temporary scope that I need, just a cheapie to tide me over until I have enough pennies saved for a little nicer scope(or maybe a 91/30 that I can justify tearing apart....)

Also, I was wondering if a pistol scope would fit the bill. I know that the recoil from a mosin might cause issues but as a temporary cheap scope would it be feasible?
 
eye relief is referred to as long or short. It's the distance between the rearmost lens and your eye.

High or low refer to the height of the scope from the receiver/barrel.

I'm unsure because usually scout mounts replace the rear sight, and you said your rifle already had rings so I can only assume that it isn't in original configuration.

I'm guessing your talking about a long eye relief scope to be used with a scout type mount that replaces the rear sight, but if you are talking about a high sight plane to clear the bolt handle, a lace up cheekrest might be what you should be looking for.
 
Ok, lets clarify.

Order from closest to me on the rifle is Bolt, Rear Sight, Front Sight.

I have two main choices for scope mounting: Mount it over the bolt requiring modification of the bolt itself among other things OR replace two rings and the rear sight with a kit made for the mosin m44 that allows for the removal of a pin on the rear sight and two rings that allow for a Weaver mount in the exact place of the rear sight(more or less). The latter essentially requires a full breakdown of the rifle including the removal of the original rings.

Once the weaver is installed, I can estimate that the scope would be about 6-10 or so inches from my eye depending on the scope itself. I cannot be sure as I have not put a scope on it yet but I know my eye relief requirement is going to be longer than most bargain scopes from wally-world can provide.

So my question still remains, two in fact, What is a decent, cheap "long" eye relief scope that can fit on a weaver and can a pistol scope be used on a rifle with a lot of recoil?

Thanks chack for correcting my terminology. I've only been shooting for about six months so I still make these mistakes.
 
Are you talking about removing barrel bands, or scope rings, or the pins that retain the rear sight? I have no idea what you mean by "two rings".

Installing a scout scope mount requires that you:

1)drive out the rear sight pin
2) remove the rear sight and rear sight spring
3)place the mount where the rear sight was
4) install the two screws thhrough the holes that the rear sight pin went threw and thread the into the scope mount (best to use locktite for this)
5) tighten the set screws on the scope mount to lock it in place.

Be prepared to adjust the set screws if the scope is too far out to bore light.

Since I'm guessing you don't have a bore light, a field expedient method is to:
1)stabalize the gun so that it won't move
2)remove the bolt
3) sight in at an object about 20 yds away by looking through the bore from the rear
4)measure the distance from the center axis of the scope to the center of the barrel
5)adjust the scope/mount combo so that the crosshairs hit the object the distance from #4 above the point you can see by looking through the bore.

If you get close this way with your scope on mechanical zero you should be able to dial it in at the range without haveing to adjust the mount.

Here's a good source for a cheap but effective mount:
http://centerfiresystems.com/mosinnagantscoperailpartmntmoi03.aspx

Here's a thread discussing it more:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370921
 
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Sounds like you want a good quality low priced scope with high eye relief to me, I would find a 2x7 Nikon Prosaff Shotgun scope, real long eye relief and its very clear. Will handle any recoil as well, for under 150 bucks they are very nice
 
My Zeiss Conquest has amazing eye relief on it. So does my swarovski, but that may be a little out of your price range!
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The couple Swarovskis I've seen had terrible eye relief. Great glass, but almost unusable on a Ruger #1 because of eye relief.
 
dittos on what pabuckslayer said. Something along that line.

I've often pondered scoping my mosin, and will more than likely go the scout scope route. That is exactly the purpose of the scout scope, to be mounted just forward of the action (give or take a few inches). I imagine a pistol scope would work as well, just check what the mfg says the eye relief is supposed to be. I think you should be looking for a lower end, in the 8" range, perhaps? Some pistol scopes are quite a bit more than that, so just research it a bit if you decide to go with a pistol scope, other than the scout scope.

No, I'm not a Swarovski owner, and I don't play one on tv.... :p
 
I've shot a couple M48s with the long eye scopes and I liked 'em because it was easier to keep both eyes open. I believe they all had Leos.
 
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