I don't know George, it is all I can do to keep my dog away from the horse manure. It must have something going for it. I never owned a Hi-Point handgun, and probably never will. I do own a Hi-Point carbine. A friend of mine bought one and at the time I laughed my head off about it. A couple years later he wanted to sell the rifle, a case of PMC ammo, the laser, and 4 mags all for $75. I bought it and it isn't bad. I never shoot it, but it isn't bad. At one time I saw a Makarov in a display case and thought, "Who would buy a piece of junk like that ?". But after everybody else bought one, I couldn't resist. It turned out to be pretty good. I said the same thing about the CZ-52, actually I said a lot more about the CZ-52, but I ended up with a couple of them and they are reliable, accurate and a lot of fun. I have laughed at people buying milsurp rifles since my childhood, but recently got on a milsurp rifle kick and bought 11 of them so far. The point is that I made a judgement about something I didn't know anything about. And, if someone would have asked me about any one of those items, I would have said it was junk without really knowing anything about it. I have done this enough that I realize no that I wasn't doing anyone a favor. Nothing personal to anyone, I just get a kick out of it. I difinitely agree that for the price of a Hi-Point, you can get some real good used tried and proven alternatives. I recently paid $125 for a mint condition S&W Model 28.