I was a skeptic, until I bought one. I had previosly owned a Ruger PC9. I'm really impressed with the Hi Point. It's not just a good gun for the money, it's a good gun. As my economic position improves, I'd like to get one for each of my vehicles. Since I carry a handgun 24/7, I think these carbines make a great backup for the car. They are rated for +P+ ammo. I prefer Gold Dot +P. Out of the carbine barrel, the 9mm +P is impressive.