Hi Point .45 rifle loads
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H110 is about as slow as you can find but I don't have any loads in my books for an H110 load for an ACP. And probably for a good reason.
Since any time you shoot a pistol round out of a rifle you get more velocity than you will out of a pistol your not loosing any velocity.
The short case is probably not going to work well with a slow powder like the H110.
I don't have a Hi point carbine but I do have a Beretta carbine and an HK MP5 in 9mm I also help a friend load for a semi Thompson and I find that W231 works very well. But its hard to find.
I would stay away from magnum powders in a 45 acp.
Since any time you shoot a pistol round out of a rifle you get more velocity than you will out of a pistol your not loosing any velocity.
The short case is probably not going to work well with a slow powder like the H110.
I don't have a Hi point carbine but I do have a Beretta carbine and an HK MP5 in 9mm I also help a friend load for a semi Thompson and I find that W231 works very well. But its hard to find.
I would stay away from magnum powders in a 45 acp.
LivewireBlanco
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Yep!
MarkGlazer
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I own a 9mm Hi-Point carbine. No changes from your pistol load. In Lymans you will find a page dedicated to 9mm rifle, so you might look for the same for your 45, but don't have any expectations of finding something.
One thing, I do try to use the powders that I'm no longer fond of in my carbine, just to get rid of them. It's a personal preference thing. Once I get rid of that powder, I'm going to look for the least expensive powder I can find to load for the Hi-Point. It's more or less a question of how I value the gun, more for enjoyment than for serious use.
Good luck.
One thing, I do try to use the powders that I'm no longer fond of in my carbine, just to get rid of them. It's a personal preference thing. Once I get rid of that powder, I'm going to look for the least expensive powder I can find to load for the Hi-Point. It's more or less a question of how I value the gun, more for enjoyment than for serious use.
Good luck.
g.willikers
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Of all the other pistol rounds, the .45acp seems to have the least velocity increase from a long gun.
So, just to keep things uncomplicated, load the same way for both pistol and carbine.
So, just to keep things uncomplicated, load the same way for both pistol and carbine.
Max,
Your premise about slow powders for rifles is in error. The reason for a .45 Auto cartridge using fast powders are two: The first is the bullets have lower sectional densities, so they are easy for pressure to accelerate forward. The second is the bullet doesn't have to move very far forward before the total volume behind its base has doubled the amount of room the powder is burning it. It's only about a third of an inch for .45 Auto hardball, where a typical .30-06, for example, has to move about ten times that far to double the volume of the powder burning space behind it. So the .45 Auto bullets scoot forward easily and the volume keeps doubling rapidly. It takes a fast powder to make gas fast enough to keep up with the bullet and still continue to grow the pressure until it reaches its peak. If you were to try to use .30-06 powder in it the bullet would grow the space so fast the powder would fizzle and the bullet would be left stuck in the barrel.
Note also, the rifle would not be chambered for .45 Auto if it didn't work with commercial ammunition, all of which is loaded for pistol using fast powders. That will be what works with this gun. Probably the slowest powders that would be usable are Power Pistol and HS-6, which are used by some practical competitors to raise the power factor of their loads. Anything slower, like 296, will be likely to squib out because you can't fit enough in the .45 Auto load to reach a pressure it works at well (good thing, as those are magnum revolver pressures most .45 Auto firearms won't tolerate). So its performance will be very poor and it will burn very dirty and incompletely, and you may get a bullet stuck in the bore.
Your premise about slow powders for rifles is in error. The reason for a .45 Auto cartridge using fast powders are two: The first is the bullets have lower sectional densities, so they are easy for pressure to accelerate forward. The second is the bullet doesn't have to move very far forward before the total volume behind its base has doubled the amount of room the powder is burning it. It's only about a third of an inch for .45 Auto hardball, where a typical .30-06, for example, has to move about ten times that far to double the volume of the powder burning space behind it. So the .45 Auto bullets scoot forward easily and the volume keeps doubling rapidly. It takes a fast powder to make gas fast enough to keep up with the bullet and still continue to grow the pressure until it reaches its peak. If you were to try to use .30-06 powder in it the bullet would grow the space so fast the powder would fizzle and the bullet would be left stuck in the barrel.
Note also, the rifle would not be chambered for .45 Auto if it didn't work with commercial ammunition, all of which is loaded for pistol using fast powders. That will be what works with this gun. Probably the slowest powders that would be usable are Power Pistol and HS-6, which are used by some practical competitors to raise the power factor of their loads. Anything slower, like 296, will be likely to squib out because you can't fit enough in the .45 Auto load to reach a pressure it works at well (good thing, as those are magnum revolver pressures most .45 Auto firearms won't tolerate). So its performance will be very poor and it will burn very dirty and incompletely, and you may get a bullet stuck in the bore.
jtmckinney
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I had a 45 ACP Hi-Point carbine for a couple years, just sold it. I tried what you are talking about and had pretty good results as far as velocity was concerned using AA#9, 230 grain hollow points and small pistol magnum primers. Trouble was the firearm just wouldn't feed them consistently. I switched to loads for my 1911's and it ran fine. I was trying to turn the gun into something it wasn't intended to be.
Book loads for 45ACP were still around 1,000 fps if I remember right.
Book loads for 45ACP were still around 1,000 fps if I remember right.
A pause for the COZ
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I have a Hi-Point 45 carbine.
I have experimented with slower powders.
My results were not favorable.
The slowest I went was Herco and found that too slow.
Problem is not the Barrel, its the blow back operation.
I notices flashes from the ejection port upon firing and crono showed slower velocity than my standard Bullseye powder loads.
I know it seems like we should be able to take full advantage of the 16 inch barrel.
But unless you can find a way to pin the bolt closed.
Not gona happen.
Not a loss though. You still get about 100 fps increase with standard loads compared to a pistol.
Plus mine at least shoots pretty darn good out to 100 yards.
Best to just stay with standard 45 acp loading with the Hi-Point.
Now for my exotic loads. i am building a 45 acp Mauser bolt gun.
That should be able to take full advantage of the 16 inch barrel.
The explanation above about the volume issue makes sense. Thanks for that input.
I have experimented with slower powders.
My results were not favorable.
The slowest I went was Herco and found that too slow.
Problem is not the Barrel, its the blow back operation.
I notices flashes from the ejection port upon firing and crono showed slower velocity than my standard Bullseye powder loads.
I know it seems like we should be able to take full advantage of the 16 inch barrel.
But unless you can find a way to pin the bolt closed.
Not gona happen.
Not a loss though. You still get about 100 fps increase with standard loads compared to a pistol.
Plus mine at least shoots pretty darn good out to 100 yards.
Best to just stay with standard 45 acp loading with the Hi-Point.
Now for my exotic loads. i am building a 45 acp Mauser bolt gun.
That should be able to take full advantage of the 16 inch barrel.
The explanation above about the volume issue makes sense. Thanks for that input.
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mxsailor803
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Coz, please tell me you have a thread on here about a .45acp Mauser!!!!
A pause for the COZ
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Not on here... I dont think
But I can point you to a good one.
Have to wait till I get home. here at work they are subjective as to what site s get blocked and what ones dont.
But I will hook you up.
But I can point you to a good one.
Have to wait till I get home. here at work they are subjective as to what site s get blocked and what ones dont.
But I will hook you up.