Heston/NRA will deliver battleground states for Bush.

madison46

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MOSES DELIVERED the Ten Commandments from Mount Sinai.
And, in this election, Moses may deliver the battleground states for George W. Bush.
Over the past two weeks and this week, NRA President Charlton Heston has been making the rounds in key swing states, like Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin (as well as Tennessee, Arkansas, and Virginia). And he’s having an effect.
Heston’s rousing speeches, coupled with those of NRA VP Wayne LaPierre, have Democratic interest groups, like the United Auto Workers (UAW) union, quaking in their boots. And for good reason. In states like Pennsylvania, an estimated 1.2 million gun owners could tip the balance for Bush and other candidates.
At an NRA/Heston rally I attended in Flint, Michigan, two arena-sized rooms overflowed with NRA supporters from as far away as Northern Michigan and Southern Ohio. From places like swing-voter laden Oakland County, Michigan. NRA organizers expected 1,500 attendees at the Heston event. They got over 7,000. The Flint Generals, a pro hockey team and the sole sports franchise in town, can barely get decent attendance at the IMA Arena, even giving tickets away. Heston and LaPierre filled it to capacity, as well as an adjoining auditorium, with a crowd as enthusiastic as that of a Metallica concert.
And these weren’t stereotypical pick-up-truck, camo-wearing, gun-toting, hunter types. There were women, like the Gen-X female Oakland County attorney with her husband. There were union workers wearing UAW jackets. And there were young, upwardly mobile professional dressed in suits. And a variety of others – all of whom used to be given votes for Gore and the Democrats. But Heston and LaPierre delivered impassioned orations on why they should be voting Bush and other pro-2nd Amendment candidates.
It’s very effective in Michigan, home of pro-gun rocker Ted Nugent, where the Presidential election and key Congressional races could come down to who delivers better –the NRA or the unions.
The unions realize that Heston is winning that fight. The LA Times reported that around as 40% of Midwest union members are gun rights sympathizers. If not NRA members themselves, they have a strong affinity for the group or its message. Their identification with the 2nd Amendment is much stronger than their identification with the union. Moses holds more sway these days than the union slug.

Heston
That’s why, last week, UAW President Stephen P. Yokich sent out an attack on Heston and the NRA, pleading with union rank-and-file members to vote for Gore. Desperately trying to assuage gun-owning union members’ fears of Gore Gun Control.
In a “Worker-to-Worker Special Bulletin” to all UAW members, Yokich wrote: “Brothers and Sisters: . . . . Like many of you, I’m a hunter and a sportsman. No one enjoys hunting and target shooting more than I. . . . a lifetime member of the NRA since . . . 1957. Take it from me Al Gore supports your right to own guns. . . . The NRA scare campaign is just plain wrong. . . . I want Al Gore to be my president – not Charlton Heston.”
But many union members --gun owners-- would rather have Charlton Heston as their President. They wish he were running.
And Yockich’s shameless plea rings hollow. Because gun owners have been hearing from Clinton and Gore for eight years. Eight years of Gore pronouncements that school shootings, a la Columbine, demand standing up to the NRA and the gun industry. Eight years of a man who once was a pro-NRA Congressman and Senator becoming one of its worst avowed enemies. And now he wants to change back again, just as easily. Gun owners aren’t buying what this gun rights chameleon is selling. Following Heston’s and LaPierre’s lead, they’ll spend their currency in this race—their votes—for Bush.
That’s why Gore is now trying to run away from his pro-gun control position. It’s a loser. It’s why in the second and third debates, Gore tried to do the same snow-job that Yokich’s UAW is trying to do on gun owners, saying Weird Al suddenly doesn’t want to take gun-owners’ rights away.
But even Yockich’s support of Gore is thin. Gore, like Bush and the Republicans, supported NAFTA and favorable PNTR trade status for China, and Yokich hemmed and hawed for months before endorsing him. There’s no union issue to marry union members to him.
On the other hand, under Heston, the NRA’s membership, including union members, has grown by over a million in just the past year. That’s because hunters and other gunowners fear the Al Gore who said he wanted to require licensing and registration of gun owners, something Hitler did prior to instituting strict gun control. And these gunowners have seen a preview of the future in the Clinton Administration.: a Justice Department, whose Attorney General, Janet Reno, stood by the legal opinion of Assistant US Attorney William B. Mateja that only National Guard members are covered by the Second Amendment (Emerson v. US).
And Heston is matching Gore’s campaign strategy, plank for plank, belying any Gore consistency. Gore talks about choice on abortion. The NRA talks about choice to defend one’s self against criminals. Al Gore talks about the top 1%. Heston talks about “fighting blue blood elitists,” like Gore and Rosie O’Donnell, privileged with gun-toting security, while they want to take the average man’s gun away. Gore speaks of Supreme Court justices who would take away abortion choice. Heston speaks of justices who would take away freedom – 2nd Amendment choice. Gore speaks of civil rights and hate crimes. But Heston marched with Martin Luther King, Jr. in his famed 1963 March on Washington.
Over 4 million NRA members –and many more pro-gun allies-- are hearing Charlton Heston’s civil rights message about freedom: “Al Gore – You will never get out guns or our votes.”
Message to Al Gore: When Moses talks, voters listen.
 
What the democratic party/left wing extremist, and our media has failed to
recognize is that our country has "another"
group that they have forgotten in the rush
to socialism, The "average joe" type people,
that includes a lot of people who believe in
freedom,still want a "standard family" have
morals, values and are very tired of the
crap that we have been witness too in the past 30 years.Perhaps this election will
be a wake up call, that we also are here.!
 
bullet44,

I believe you. There are more Americans that are tired of political correctness, tired of lawsuits against tobacco, gun makers, racism et al. Than the Manhattan elite care to know about.

It is showing up very well in the subject of guns and for that I am VERY happy.

It would be very nice to write D. Fienstien, my senator, with the results on Nov 8. 1) Gun owning men and not soccer moms carried this election. So her boast that women would decide the election and that they would hang the gun issue around GW Bush has backfired.

Go Bush !

madison
 
The Dems screwed themselves royally here. The NRA is using that quote from Mateja and the follow-up quote from Waxman to good effect.

If the union leaders think that the union guys are going to fall for the "Al Gore doesn't want your guns" line then I bet its a problem explaining that Gore's Department of Justice is arguing in federal court that there is no Second Amendment right to own a rifle, pistol or shotgun.

On top of that, they have to believe that the same guy that screwed them with NAFTA is going to be honest with them on guns - even as his Justice Department is laying the groundwork to screw them all over again.
 
Bart,

Some guy reviewing NRA commercial on MSNBC said NRA was lying. He was some DR. or Pol Sci at Brown Univ. I looked up his email and sent him the exchange as I SERIOUSLY doubt he knew anything about the Emerson case and that exchange in court.

Very effective for our side. Hope Bush really 1) Wins 2) gets to appt some judges in place of some of the liberal ones.

Emerson ruling is probably over due.......

madison
 
Madison,

Maybe, it wouldn't hurt if a few more people sent that guy e-mails? Did you ever get an answer back from him? What is his e-mail addy? :)


Joe
 
nralife,

I emailed him the Emerson trascripted exchange as posted at www.saf.org. He would have done much better to just say he was unfamilar with the case that the NRA was mentioning in the Ad. All he did was say Gore wasn't proposing taking guns away from hunters.

I haven't heard back, but here is his info:


name: Darrell M. West
alias: Darrell_West
email-to: Darrell_West@Brown.EDU
type: Faculty
department: Political Science
title: Professor
preferred_phone: 401-863-1163
mailing_address: Box 1977, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island 02912-1977 USA


I didn't email him Waxman's letter stating DOJ's position so he may like to read that before he accuses the NRA of 'misleading' anyone !

madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nralife:
Madison,

Maybe, it wouldn't hurt if a few more people sent that guy e-mails? Did you ever get an answer back from him? What is his e-mail addy? :)


Joe
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Hey Al,
Remember that joke you made way back, early in your campaign, about the last time Moses talked to a Bush his people wandered in the desert for 40 years?

Well, the promised land is in sight!

And YOU ain't invited to the party.
Laugh that one off!!
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nralife,

I believe it is at www.nraila.org. Top of the page of links. Also, I believe it can be found a www.saf.org somewhere among the Emerson information.

Thanks,
madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nralife:
madison,

Thanks, I will send him an e-mail! Where can I find Waxman's letter?


Joe

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I notice that all these people who enjoy accusing the NRA of lying are pretty unspecific about what exactly the lie is.

I haven't seen the NRA commercial. What was the substance of it? The stuff about Mateja and Waxman certainly isn't a lie.

One thing for all of us to remember - Heston is a great guy but he won't deliver a damn thing unless we all do our part to get out the vote this November 7th.

Its looking good for Bush but don't start counting your chickens yet. This election will be all about turnout!
 
I think this NRA campaigning is terrific and very effective, as long as Heston and LaPierre are careful in what they say. 6 days is a long time, so don't take anything for granted, regardless of what the polls say. There needs to be a massive turnout of gun owners on Nov 7, and Gore needs to be decively crushed. Please don't assume Bush is going to win and that your vote is not necessary. I'll be running in the NY marathon on Sunday wearing my GW Bush shirt to annoy the liberals.
 
Bart,

It accused Gore of wanting to take away your 2nd Amendment rights, mentioned a 'case' before the courts to that affect then talked about the SC.

The good DR, probably not knowing about Emerson, probably thought the 'taking the 2nd Amendment away' was a stretch in his own uniformed mind. The NRA did not mention Emerson by name I don't believe or the waxman letter.

It is all about turnout. Although Zogby is showing a 1-2 pt lead for Gore in PA, MSNBC just released an ad that of the 'absolutly sure going to vote - no doubt about it' crowd, Bush led 39%-31%. Not great numbers if turnout is large among black voters;however, good if turnout is low. Bush and ourselves have to be sure to get ourselves and our friends out to vote. I'd rather win big and give Bush a mandate than small and take a chance on loosing. Give Bush and GOP a mandate and the Dems will leave us alone a little more.

madison

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bartholomew Roberts:
I notice that all these people who enjoy accusing the NRA of lying are pretty unspecific about what exactly the lie is.

I haven't seen the NRA commercial. What was the substance of it? The stuff about Mateja and Waxman certainly isn't a lie.

One thing for all of us to remember - Heston is a great guy but he won't deliver a damn thing unless we all do our part to get out the vote this November 7th.

Its looking good for Bush but don't start counting your chickens yet. This election will be all about turnout!
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I would really like to see a good clean sweep of pro-gun canidates in this election. Lets send them the same message that we did in 94. Lets leave no doubt in anyone's mind as to who cast the deciding vote in this election..... Gun owners....
 
Re: Emerson

For those who don't have it handy, here is an abridged version of my comments the day after Emerson was argued at the Fifth Circuit.

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June 14, 2000


Yesterday I flew to New Orleans to listen to arguments on the Emerson Case. This is an important case for Second Amendment supporters. For a complete background on Emerson, see the Second Amendment Foundation website: http://www.saf.org/EmersonViewOptions.html.

First, let me say that the lawyer (Crooks) representing Emerson was . . . how shall I say this . . . not the best I've seen. However, the attorney from the Alabama Attorney General's office (Cooper) was very good. The A.G.'s office argued on Emerson's side.

The three-judge panel (Garwood, DeMoss, and Parker) asked tough questions, and showed that they weren't buying the government's (federal government) assertion that because a firearm once traveled across state lines, that this gun was "involved in interstate commerce." This is important, because if the firearm is not involved in interstate commerce, the federal government has no place in this, and it is a state matter.

Note this exchange: DeMoss: "I have a 16 gauge shotgun in my closet at home. I have a 20-gauge shotgun. I also have a 30-caliber rifle at home. Are you saying these are "in or affecting interstate commerce?"

Meteja (government lawyer): "Yes"

You'll note the personal tone to Judge DeMoss's question. This personal tone carried throughout the one-hour session.

Veterans of Second Amendment battles understand that the U.S. government takes the position that you do not have a right to own a gun. Many people, however, say "Oh come on, you don't really believe that, do you?" Well, here it is from the mouth of the lawyers representing the United States government, from my notes at the Emerson case.

Judge Garwood: "You are saying that the Second Amendment is consistent with a position that you can take guns away from the public? You can restrict ownership of rifles, pistols and shotguns from all people? Is that the position of the United States?"

Meteja (for the government: "Yes"

Judge Garwood was having none of that. Garwood: "Is it the position of the United States that persons who are not in the National Guard are afforded no protections under the Second Amendment?"

Meteja: Exactly.

Meteja then said that even membership in the National Guard isn't enough to protect the private ownership of a firearm. It wouldn't protect the guns owned at the home of someone in the National Guard.

Garwood: Membership in the National Guard isn't enough? What else is needed?

Meteja: The weapon in question must be used in the National Guard.

In other words, no one, even if a member of the National Guard, has a right to own guns privately. That is the position of the U.S. government. The judges seemed to reject the federalism position of the government which says that once an item has moved across a state line, it is forever covered by federal laws because it is involved in interstate commerce. This rejection seems to be in line with several narrow decisions from the Supreme Court in recent years. The judges also appeared incredulous that the government was saying that no one has a right to own guns, and that the Second Amendment guarantees only the right of the National Guard to own guns.

It will be weeks or months before a decision is issued on this case, and nothing is assured, by any means. However, if you need some hope, I leave you with this final statement to government lawyer, made by Judge DeMoss. "You shouldn't let it bother your sleep that Judge Garwood (the senior judge) and I, between us, own enough guns to start a revolution in most South American countries."

-- Tom Gresham www.guntalk.com
 
Tom,

Thanks. I get to hear your show every now-and-then over the internet, but not as much as I would like.

I was wondering if you could epand on something I heard: I heard the Clinton appointed judge sometimes rolled his eye when the Alabama AG was making some of his 2nd Amendment arugments. Can you tell me/us about any of the exchanges between the judges and the Emerson side???

Thanks,
Kevin
 
Thanks for posting your 'first-person' account of the trial for us, Tom. I remember reading that back in June when you first published it.

My favorite part (from your long version) was when Judge DeMoss said to the attorney for the US, "You shouldn't let it bother your sleep that Judge Garwood (the senior judge) and I, between us, own enough guns to start a revolution in most South American countries."

I figure there is NO chance for a ruling before the election, but when exactly is a ruling expected?
 
Re: Judge rolling his eyes

Well, it was a LARGE courtroom, and though I was in the front row, I couldn't see anyone rolling his eyes on the bench. Others, with better vision, might have seen this. Then again, I was taking notes at light speed. Sure wish I had hired a stenographer for that one!

I feel certain we will not see a decision on this before the election. The judges don't like to see their work viewed as being political.

I have absolutely no gut feeling on this decision. It could turn on many things, and there is at least a good chance the judges will duck the Second Amendment aspect of this completely.

On the election, I think the stealth vote is union members who will vote for their guns before they will vote for their unions. Just a feeling, of course.

There is, unfortunately, a very real chance that Bush will win the popular and lose the electoral vote.

There's a good article in the Philly Inquirer today about the gun issue in the election.

Today I stopped a TV reporter covering a Bush rally and talked to her about the gun issue. She volunteered that a union leader she had talked to said that his union members were going against the union and voting for Bush, because of guns. I hear the same thing from Teamsters in Michigan, too.

Typing with fingers crossed . . . .

Tom Gresham (www.guntalk.com)
 
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