Here's a GOOFY idea - the .223 FLIC

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Big Al

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Okay, I'll admit I'm bored - Oleg's idea on the 45 Whimp and Golden Loki's 32 Defender pet project got me thinking (uh oh). How about a 224 BOZ for the Kel-Tec 32, NAA Guardian, and Seecamp?

How about this - the .223 FLIC (Fragmenting Lightweight Incapacitator Cartridge), based on a shortened and bottlenecked 30 Carbine case. The design will accept all standard NATO .223 projectiles, including AP tungsten carbide rounds to provide adequate penetration. It will also accept fully fragmenting and polycarbonate tipped projectiles. The heavy-walled 30 Carbine case will withstand heavier loadings than the 32ACP case - theoretically producing 1200fps+ with the standard 55 grain bullet from a 2" barrel. The pointed bullet and bottlenecked case would enhance reliability, and the light bullet weight would minimize recoil. Lots of derringer-style "hellfire and damnation" from the barrel when fired. Also, guns chambered with this round could be converted back to 32ACP for cheap practice and versatility, a-la 357SIG/.40Liberty.

This is obviously a goofy idea, but theoretically, could it be done?



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"Oh yeah? Well I talk LOOOUDLY! And I carry a BIIIGGER stick! And I'll use it, too." -Yoesemite Sam
 
This idea sounds a lot like two new and up and coming military calibers: the 5.7x28 and the .224 BOZ. The 5.7x28 was made for the FN P90 subgun and their FiveseveN pistol. This round is designed specifically to defeat body armor out to 100 yards, and will not be offered to the public. The .224 BOZ is a .45 ACP (if memory is correct) necked down to standard 5.56mm projectiles. It also was designed to specifically give body armour defeating speed from a handgun and will not be available to the public for the same reason (although it takes very little work for a handloader to do the same with ubiquitous reloading supplies).

I would be very surprised if any manufacturer would try to make such a round in today's climate, except in rifle form. By, the way, your idea seems very similar to Iver Johnson's 5.7mm carbine round, which was a .30 carbine necked down to 5.7mm. Some rare rifles can still be found in this caliber and there are some hints of it reappearing in production rifles. It has the advantage of begin light shooting and easy to load by hand in a handgun press!
 
Chad,

A guy named Golden Loki has worked up a wildcat handgun cartridge called the 32 Defender off of 30 Carbine brass. He's using it in a Kel-Tec 32 he rechambered. I thought about stepping it up a notch an bottlnecking it, hence my imaginary 223 FLIC.

The 224 BOZ is necked down from 10mm brass. Bottlnecked rounds seem neat, other than handloading problems. The 357SIG is basically a bottlnecked 40Libery, or what I like to call the 9mm magnum. The 40 Cor-Bon is a 45 ACP necked down to take a .40 bullet. If they can do this is full-size handguns, why not in a pocket pistol? That's where my brain fart came from.



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"Oh yeah? Well I talk LOOOUDLY! And I carry a BIIIGGER stick! And I'll use it, too." -Yoesemite Sam
 
Big Al,

Wouldn't there be a problem with overall length? Some of those heavy .223 bullets are almost as long as an entire .32 ACP cartridge. With thick brass and a long bullet, you'd have very little case capacity left for powder.
 
sorry about dredging up old laundry,

how long is a 308/224 sabot - could you put a very short 224 bullet into a sabot & seat it into a 32 acp case with any room for powder left over?

Im thinking if the bullet is flush with the sabot you might be able to squeeze the thing into the P32 magazine

if not - how bout trying those ultra high velocity 32's
 
There is a guy named Jack Rush who necked down a 32 ACP case to .22 cal to get .22 Magnum velocities with quality bullets in a rifle. I always thought it would be neat to try it in a handgun :0)

NJW in Az
 
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