HELP with TV appearance

Jace

New member
My lady and I will be on TV as the rebuttal to the mmm. I need help to respond to one of their proposals.

They are asking
"Limit Purchases to one-handgun-per-month
We believe that it is only common sense to end straw purchase transactions where individual who may legally purchase a firearm is hired to purchase firearms for Gun traffickers. These guns are sold on the illegal market and eventually wind up on our nation's streets, killing our kids."

Also I need information on the two school shootings that were stopped by an armed teacher. I believe one was in Pearl Mississippi, the other in Jonesboro Arkansas. I need to be able to quote the source and the facts.


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If we don't need the second amendment why are they trying to take it away?
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As far as #1 goes...

Ask them, if they would like to limit their right to free speech to once a month or if they would like to wait seven days before they could write a letter to the editor. Things like that. If they say the right to bear arms only refers to the national guard and not to individuals, you will need to educate them on the correct definition of the militia. Drop the name of the liberal Constitutional scholar Lawrence Tribe, who's latest works have even come around to the individual rights argument as being correct.

It is our Constitutional right to buy and have as many firearms as we want. There are already over 20,000 laws on the books now regulating firearms and those should be used to prosecute any illegal gun sales.

Joe


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One thing i read somwhere was that these laws only punish the law abiding citizens. Example, we have many drunk drivers on the street every day, and once in awhile one of them kills someone. Do we then ban cars, and take them away from people that follow the law, of course not! A car can kill people too, if used unproperly.

The majority of guns used in crimes are used by criminals, (Duh!) so in order to sombat this we need to punish the criminals. The object is to get them off the street not to weaken the law abiding citizens.

hope this helps good luck!
 
The American hero whom you seek is Joel Myrick, Asst. Principal, Pearl High School, Pearl Mississippi. I did some searches for info for you and here are the results:

This from: http://www.beager.com/~davisda/angelkin.wag

In October 1997, a shooting spree at a high school in Pearl, Mississippi left
two students dead. It was stopped by Joel Myrick, an assistant principal.
He retrieved a gun from his car and physically immobilized the shooter (a
student) for about five minutes before police arrived. (Massad Ayoob used
his column in the May/June 1999 issue of American Handgunner to tell Mr.
Myrick's story. If you'd like a copy of the article, let me know.)

A Lexis-Nexis search indicates that 687 articles appeared in the first month
after the attack. Only 16 stories mentioned Myrick. Only a little more than
half of these mentioned he used a gun to stop the attack. Some stories
simply stated that Myrick was "credited by police with helping capture the
boy" or that "Myrick disarmed the shooter." A later story on CBS with Dan
Rather notes that "Myrick eventually subdued the young gunman." Such stories
provide no explanation how Myrick accomplished this feat. (John Lott,
Investors' Business Daily on or about 30-April-1999)

http://i2i.org/SuptDocs/OpEdArcv/1999/HeroesOutlawed.htm (this is a good one)
http://i2i.org/SuptDocs/OpEdArcv/1999/principal&gun.htm (another good one)
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/1999/sep/24/509347521.html
http://www.sltrib.com/97/nov/111697/nation_w/7631.htm
http://www.asmainegoes.com/9991/990105/wsjarm.htm
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/schoolshoot/SCHshootingsmuddle.html
http://www.jbs.org/tna/1998/vo14no11/vo14no11_stop.htm

There are more but this should get you going.



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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
 
Ask if they think everybody is a criminal and that is why they want the blanket one-a-month law.

There is a wealth of pro-gun ammo in the ATF 4473 form. When they say they don't think everybody is, but that's the only way, break out that form and comment "This is a Federal firearms application everyone has to fill out in order to buy a firearm. If you answer any of the 23 questions falsely (read them out if you can, most non-gun owners will be surprised, if not stunned), you are subject to a Federal felony.

Ask the moderator or the anti to read question 9a and the "Important Notice" it refers to out loud. If they won't do it, you do.

To wit: "9a. Are you the actual buyer of the firearm indicated on this form? If you answer "no" to this question the dealer cannot transfer the firearm to you. (See Important Notice 1.)

Important Notices:
1. (in boldface type) WARNING - The federal firearms laws require that the individual filling out this form must be buying the firearm for himself or herself or as a gift. Any individual who is not buying the firearm
for himself or herself or as a gift but completes this form, violates the law. (Examples given) A licensee who knowingly delivers a firearm to an individual who is not buying the firearm for himself or herself or as a gift violates the law by maintaining a false ATF F 4473."

Now ask them to read the boldface capitalized Warning that starts "I certify ..." out loud. Stress the parts "... I also understand that the making of a false oral or written statement or the exhibiting of any false or misrepresented identification with respect to this transaction is a crime punishable as a felony. I further understand that my repetitive purchase of firearms for the purpose of resale for livelihood and profit without a Federal Firearms License is a violation of law."

Point out that the dealer, under the same threat, has to answer ANOTHER 18 questions, including the gun's manufacturer, model, serial number, type of firearm and caliber.

If you can, bring up the fact that AFTER you have answered all these questions under threat of a felony, you must now submit a drivers license and undergo an Instant Check by the FBI, who will log either your SSN or drivers license number and the kind of gun you bought. You may even have to undergo a State check or form.

Tell them that with all that information, the authorities have more than enough information to prosecute a straw purchaser - all they have to do is ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAW stated on the form.

Now ask these people which do they think would be more effective in controlling straw purchasers:
1. Limit handgun purchases to one-a-month.
2. Prosecute just one or two straw purchasers, give them the 5 years in jail and a $5000 fine and loudly proclaim the sentence throughout the state via media ads and billboards, just as the successful Project Exile did. Stress that that law focused only on the criminals also, which is what 2. would do.

Hopefully, some has the pertinent info on the school shootings.



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You should definately say that the current laws are more than enough to prevent felonious straw purchases. The fact that prosecutions are extremely rare, with evidence that constitutes a signed confession, demonstrates that this is not a high priority in anything but speeches.

Also, with the failure of the current, more than adequate system, what would prevent some person to attempt the purchase of multiple pistols, each at a location in a different jurisdiction.
 
RE:straw purchases

Ask why there is an implicit assumption that a multi-gun buyer, defacto, has criminal intent.....where are the stats/proof/legit questions?

So one out of a thousand multi-gun buyer could be traced to criminal intent?

I can say all men are rapists, based on the rape stats that show 99% of rapes are committed by men....though the facts show that 99.987% men are not rapists.
My point is that one can conclude as fact anything their biases allow.

Also consider capitalism...based upon LEO stats, guns are not a rare commodity and are thus easily obtained. So, what sense is there to buy a gun bought at retail prices to later commit a crime with?
Criminals buy guns cheap because they are stolen and, thus, disposable. As a criminal, I would not pay retail+ strawman profit for a gun.

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
If the subject of the battle between LaPiere and Clinton comes up, ask them how Clinton can look into the faces of the families who were victims of the Puerto Rican terrorists he released from jail. Talk about soft on crime!
 
Leadfoot, I think if that subject comes up a good reply would be to the effect of, "I wish Clinton would stick to the argument instead of throwing out an emotional red herring. I suppose that's his only recourse when his argument is wrong." I know logic doesn't hold much water with the anti-gun crowd, but you've got to try it before the argument degenerates into an emotional free for all.
 
How about limiting newspaper writers to one article per month? Or TV personalities to one appearance per month?

The bottom line is that this is America, and before a person's rights can be lawfully infringed upon by the government, that person must have infringed upon the rights of another person. Licensing and limits and registration all put the cart before the horse.
 
All good stuff. I too would stress the invasiveness and comprehensive nature of the current system. I'd also ask what in the world they would do to catch a straw purchaser--the fact is, there isn't much that can be done, is there?
 
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