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Jace

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NRA entertainment and educational centers such as the one planned for New York City, will go a long way toward educating people in the biggest pockets of ignorance in the country (NYC, New Jersey, California, Maryland, Massachusetts, Hawaii). If that can happen, they may be able to save themselves, from themselves.

You may have read that the NRA is looking to open a theme restaurant, virtual shooting range, and gift shop in Times Square. The local Million Morons organizer is using her e-mail list to gather supporters for picketing the proposed location, sign petitions, and pressure local officials. The main thrust seems to be against the Times Square Business Improvement District (BID), which controls the local land use.

E-mail the BID at: Dhanusha@timessquarebid.org

Tell them how much you would enjoy coming to NYC to visit an NRA theme restaurant. The voices of tourists from around the country will mean more to the bottom line of the BID than a few locals, who tend not to patronize the tourist traps anyway.

Action: Do what alert says.Here is some more contact info for BID:

questions@timessquarebid.org

and write to them at: (Emails are often ignored)

Times Square Business Improvement District
1560 Broadway, Suite 800
New York, NY 10036
Phone: (212) 768-1560
Fax: (212) 768-0233


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If we don't need the second amendment why are they trying to take it away?
GUNS STOP CRIME! http://www.sas-aim.org

[This message has been edited by Jace (edited June 03, 2000).]
 
A MMM protest of the opening of the NRA Shop? I can't think of better advertising. The protesters will go home and NRA will stay.

I'll e-mail the boys in NYC anyway.

Rick
 
Frankly, I don't get it. Other than in your face, I don't see much value in the project. I would rather see the money put towards making people aware of the positive uses of guns. For example, I doubt that many people have given much thought to how many times guns have protected vs. how many nuts have gone off the deep end. So, if you want in your face then New York, or San Francisco are the place to do your thing, but I doubt that will change much.
 
I happen to think an NRA theme store/restaurant in NYC is a dumb idea. If they try it, I hope it pays it's own way.
I'm a Life Member and I support NRA, but I have my doubts about this project.
 
Gary H and Kingcreek,
You guys are right, you really don't get it, do you.
Thats ok because I'll help clue you in , right now!

What is one thing that attracts every one? Entertainment!

What is another thing that attracts every one? Eating out in a good restaraunt.

And what adds spice to restaraunt goers lives?
Trying out a new restraunt.
And what does this do for the NRA.
This gets ordinary Americans exposed to the
NRA and to the NRA's mesage that is blocked from tv by the biased tv networks controled
by government spin doctors(liers) and government centures (supressors and omitter of truth).

So, for the first time in their lives, sheeple will get exposed to the NRA in a non- scary, non shooting environment where they can have fun and get a good meal and leave with a good feeling about the NRA.

And the next time the talking heads on tv start lieing about the NRA and the firearms community and Clinton opens his lying mouth and torrents of sh!t spew forth
these people will remember the NRA Sports Blast Restaraunt and Virtual Arcaide and remember all the fun and good times they had at the NRA restraunt and say Bullsh!t , that lying Bastard on tv bad mouthing the NRA. I remember those guys and all the fun I had there! Im voting for the pro-gun canidate and
I hope Gore chockes on his vicious lies!

And some wheres along the line, the personel at the NRA store can explain to people never exposed to the firearms culture before, something about the Eddie Eagle Program, that it is not firearms training but a dont touch the gun, wake away and notify an adult lesson for childern.

Prehaps the NRA personal , after a guest
has finihed shooting a game of virtual trap
can discretely mention where the game player can go to a real gun club and learn to safely
and properly shot a real game of trap with a real trap gun.

Bingo and chango, suddenly a anti gun democrap becomes a NRA member and a member of the firearms community and a anti Gore
voter.

If the store makes money, well and good,
if the store only makes NRA members and new shooters and anti gun control voters for the firearms community, it will have more than paid its way.

I would usually stop here, having made my point but I can't resist mentioning the
posibility of repeat return customers.

What if DAD really likes the virtual trap game and just has to come back again to
play it.
What if fat old mom compulsive over eater gets hooked on the different taste of game food?
And what if the kids had such a good time that they rant & rave until dad just has to bring em back, if only so that he can get some piece of mind.

Yes , I think that the virtual shooting arcade and restaraunt was a stroke of genius
on several levels.

For one thing, what if Clinton uses his executive orders to declare federal gun registration and then federal gun owners licensing and then federal gun confiscation.

With "executive orders" the president becomes a one man "Congress" able to create new laws and legislation with no public debate and no representation of the people by senators and representatives required.

See http://www.executiveorders.org/

A NRA virtual shooting store may be the only "shooting" that we have left if Gore and Clinton have their way!
 
Earnest2, I hope it turns out the way you envision it. I hope it will be the great turn-on and launch your all-american families into the shooting sports. time will tell.
Personally, I have no use for NYC, or pretend shooting. I'll bring home my own game and avoid NYC, thanks.
 
Earnest2

You may be right. We will see. My point is that given that the NRA has a limited bank account, I think that many more people will be reached by spending the money in a different way. We must disagree on this one. Time will tell.
 
I have reservations about the NRA's plan, but my wife, who used to live and work in NYC, thinks it's a great idea. I hope it is!
 
I can fax from my machine, so will go that route.

Initially, I raised an eyebrow over this, but upon reflection, I'll pull a Martha Stewart and say "It is a good thing".

First off, the antis will overdo it as they always do - a plus for us.

Second - if the NRA isn't too ham-handed in their approach, it will show gun ownership in a good, non-threatening manner and defuse, if not convert a few more people.

The kids will have a ball, and if safety tips are subtly introduced, it will have another good effect.

What I can envision though, that rather than banning the restaurant, Michiavelli's hand will appear and the building/safety/health inspectors will find enough "violations" to shut the place down or make it so costly to build, it will never happen.

What the Hell, that still doesn't mean we can't put in our 2c worth. Just use your fax
feature instead of the email as per Jace's warning.

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The New World Order has a Third Reich odor.
 
Thanks Ernst2.

Gary H and Kingcreek,
We gotta educate as many non shooters as we can. Every time an "event" happens the media plasters us. What do you suggest we do? This restaurant is trying to do what you ask, we have to do more in more ways to reach more people.

I work in NYC and use every oportunity I can to teach the sheople, you would be suprised at how eager they are to hear the truth, one of the most frequently asked question is how to get more information. The restaurant offers this if nothing else.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.





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If we don't need the second amendment why are they trying to take it away?
GUNS STOP CRIME!
http://www.sas-aim.org
 
Jace:

I would suggest that those that venture into an NRA establishment are already somewhat sensitive to your side of the issue. On the other hand, folks watching TV are lazy (at least for the moment) and may, or may not share your point of view. In any case, the NRA can then make their best case. You will rarely convert the strong anti-gun person, because they will change the channel and will not walk into the NRA NY establishment. I doubt that the traffic that flows through any gun related NY business will generate the interest of a nationwide TV campaign of greater scope than presently planned. The NRA memberships and such would bring in far more money. I just don't think that this NY..local..approach is the way to go.
 
Do you think all of the establishments in Times Square loss money? You talk as if this is going to be a financial burden to the NRA. I expect the restaurant will support itself and help finance other projects. If only 10% of New Yorkers patronize the restaurant it'll take almost a million vension steaks to feed them! I'm concerned about the whitetail population!

This is an advertising opportunity that will be visible all day every day, and, it will make us money!

Many of you may believe that New York is totally anti-gun. This is not true, the elite are, however most ordinary people believe in the right to keep and bear arms. The problem is these people have very limited sources for accurate information. Hopefully, this restaurant will be a source of information.

All that aside, are you going to sit back and allow the other side to violate our first amendment rights just because you don't agree with the project?


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If we don't need the second amendment why are they trying to take it away?
GUNS STOP CRIME!
http://www.sas-aim.org
 
I'm sorry Jace, but that last sentence will need some explaining. I don't understand how we got to letting someone violate the first amendment due to not liking this project. How is one point of view linked to this as an end result. I don't need to support everything that my enemies oppose. You may be right and you may live in New York. I don't live in New York. For ten percent of New Yorkers to visit this establishment would be great. I guess that we will have to see how it shakes out. It certainly has been nice watching the politicos squirm.
 
Well, to me, it looks like whether they build it or not, the NRA won this round.

All the free press, and the most negative thing said was something like "I don't think they should have guns in a family atmosphere" and "It'll have a hard time surviving."

They're scared it will work, the NRA is getting good press, and revealing just how ridiculous the anti's get. They're opposing a restaurant & arcade just because it has 3 letters attached to it - N, R, and A. Virtual skeet and trap are pretty mild compared to the games at most restaurant/game emporium's (like US Play, Dave & Buster's, etc.). Which is more violent - the NRA's virtual skeet, or the shoot-em-up games & fighting games at your average arcade???

If Time-Warner wanted a violent movie themed restaurant in Times Square, do you think the city council would oppose it???
 
Personaly I like the idea, if for no other reason that the Fritz Shumers of the world DON'T.

As for the arcade, I dont do much video gamming any more but on a lark I went to D&B's and one of the games actully disturbed be "silent scope" could easly be renamed Urban Sniper 101 (well at least the first scene) very real looking scope picture all that was missing was recoil. When I see Democrats decrying ALL gun arcades I might listen to them (but not much) but until then All I hear is Bla Bla Bla NRA Bla Bla ...
 
Why do you think that the anti's are frothing at the mouth and organizing so many protests? BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT WILL BE A POSITIVE FOR THE NRA AND GUN OWNING AMERICAN CITIZENS.
 
Gary H
I made the assumption since you opposed the project you didn't send a letter to the Business Improvement District. If you did send a letter to the BID, I apologize.

All too often, I have seen the Pro 2A activist take the stance that if we do not believe in your approach we will not support it. I made that assumption here I hope I am wrong.

The anti gun crowd support each other unilaterally without question or compromise. They know that any gain is good for the cause.

We pick and choose, and offer many excuses: too militant, might be perceived as a threat, waste of time, no one cares about it, the press will twist it, yadda yadda yadda…

We should take a lesson from the opposition. Any gain is good for the cause. Solidarity is one of the solutions.

Again, I apologize if you have responded to the BID, if not get off your dead @ss and send the letter please.
 
Jace:

I'm not an activist and I don't live in New York. I don't blindly support any person, or group. I purchased my first gun a year ago and joined the NRA after the MMM. The radicals in the anti-gun group do the pro side much service. They actually win converts to "our" side. My parents have been anti-gun and very negative on the NRA. Rosie, the protected one, is rather radical in her position and so offended my parents that my father bought a Sig Pro and my mother wants to join the NRA. I suggest that it is the radicals on both sides that hurt their cause. So, don't go mindlessly into anything and understand that a radical position only gets positive reviews from those that are already on your side. It is the middle that needs to be convinced. Now, I'm not saying that this New York establishment is radical, nor do I mean to say that you are radical because you support it. I do mean to say that your all or nothing attitude hurts your cause. It will get great support on this board, but it doesn't advance your position with those less interested in this issue.
 
Did you buy a gun a join the NRA to spite the anti-gunners and MMM? Judging from this conversation, I would guess not. I would guess the increased exposure, aroused your curiosity or fear and you made an educated decision to exercise your rights before you lost them.

As far as radicals go, I don't see any Pro 2A radicals. Bear in mind that a radical is one that advocates drastic reform of an existing institution. The Pro 2A group is working to preserve the institution! The Bill of Rights was ratified December 15, 1791 and is the establishment. It is the foundation of our culture. Our service personnel take an oath to defend the Constitution as part of their induction into the armed forces. It doesn't get any more drastic than putting your life on the line for a cause, this is the status quo.

The anti's are radical, the Bill of Rights enumerates preexisting rights and cannot be changed. The anti's advocate any activity from censorship to unconstitutional legislation to these rights. The media brainwashing machine has managed to paint this picture the other way around. The protest of the MMM group trying to stop the restaurant is an example of radical behavior by the anti's. They are willing to violate the first amendment in order to support their beliefs. They are well aware of the lies they tell and they sure don't want the sheople to hear the truth.

I do agree that radicals can hurt the cause but I don't see any legal activity in support of the Constitution qualifying as radical. We will probably have to agree to disagree on this.

The anti gun press will do its best to vilify any proactive effort we make. They certainly tried to label the restaurant as a drastic maneuver done out of desperation. This "drastic" activity gets us press. This results in people taking the time to search for the truth.

As to your NRA membership, welcome aboard! To get the best of your membership I suggest you heed the alerts and respond with your calls and letters. This will not make you an activist, just a citizen exercising democracy.

PS. I almost sold my guns a year ago when I moved to NYC, but I decided to do some research before acting impulsively.


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If we don't need the second amendment why are they trying to take it away?
GUNS STOP CRIME!
http://www.sas-aim.org
 
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