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Mozart

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Only this last year have I become armed and exercised my rights in this reguard. What I don't understand in this new area of my life is what in the constitution gives the government at any level the right to in any way regulate my second ammendment rights. Why are there any laws at all about carrying a concealed pistol? It seems that the second ammenment is pretty straightforward on that. Can't some of these laws be challenged in court for not being constitutional?

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"We know that the Lord is always on the side of the right. My concern is that I and this nation should be on the Lord's side." Abraham Lincoln
 
Yes, well, there's lots of other places the Constitution says "no law" that the Supreme Court allows "some laws." The Second is no different. The Constitution sets down plenty of absolutes, but the Supreme Court has decided that in some circumstances the government's desire to regulate or control behavior overrides that. C'est la vie. There's nothing we can do about it.
 
Now you know what the Matrix is Neo.

I'm afraid it just gets worse. The more you study this subject, the more you're going to find just how brainwashed everyone else is into accepting the loss of rights which the founders of our country worked so hard to insure.

Still, 200 years is not so bad for a simple document to stand against the greed and power-lust which the Founders knew was present in all of humanity.

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Brady
(No relation to that $%#$ bill)
 
Where's George W. Bush stand on gun rights? Is he for rolling back some of this stuff or are we going to have to go through another election cycle to get someone who is constitutionally minded? (How'd it get this bad anyway?)
 
Mozart:

Bush’s stand? Well he’s not anti-gun, but he still does not understand the meaning of ‘shall not be infringed’.

Welcome to the journey through the dark side. You will find that almost all of our federal courts have ruled that the 2nd only protects the rights of the states to maintain a militia. Except for the 5th district in the Emerson case and just recently the 8th, no federal court will even consider listening to a case based upon the 2nd, as they claim it does not apply to individuals.This is interesting considering the fact that the 2nd was a warning to these bozo's that we the people retain this right as a last means of defense from the very government which is now lying about it's meaning.

For your reading enjoyment may I suggest the following sites:
http://www.constitution.org a great collection of political documents, from Hobbs to the congressional journal to the federalist and anti-federalist papers. http://www.2ndlawlib.org Has almost every court case dealing with firearms issues, along with a ton of law review articles that deal with the 2nd. A good place to start. Once you read the law reviews, follow their indexes and read the sources for yourself. http://www.saf.org A ton of useful information. http://www.guntruths.com A site that is well respected for verifying facts and presenting the truth.

We’ll see you in a few months… if you are like me. I had to read everything I could find on the subject. I’m now digging into original documents.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
George W. Bush's "stand" is to promote "reasonable" gun control measures, expecting gun owners will vote for him anyway because Gore is supposed to be worse.

The reason things have gotten this bad is that Republicans have learned they don't really have to do anything for gun rights in order to get our political support. All they have to do is hold out a scary Democrat in front of us and yell, "Booga!Booga!Booga!"

Bush will sell us down the river, and people keep telling me that Libertarians like Harry Browne don't have a chance of getting elected. This pretty much leaves me with no reason to vote at all.

--The Beez
 
I would strongly suggest reading the book animal farm by George Orwell. It really sheds light on this. Especially the part in the book about how thier leaders were changing the commandments to their own benifit.


Who controls the past, Controls the future.
Who controls the present, Controls the past.
Who controls the present now?

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don't kill people the government does", Rusty Shackleford.
http://www.fair.org

[This message has been edited by jnix (edited September 30, 2000).]
 
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