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Looks a lot like the H&R "Automatic Ejecting" model, made from 1891 through 1941. It was a da revolver with a six-shot cylinder when chambered in .32 cal. cartridges; five-shot cylinder when chambered in .38 cal. cartridges.
However, what appears to be an ejector rod under the barrel on the revolver in your photo isn't what usually came with the Automatic Ejecting model. Someone better-versed in H&R firearms than me (of which there are many
) will no doubt come along to give you some better information.
However, what appears to be an ejector rod under the barrel on the revolver in your photo isn't what usually came with the Automatic Ejecting model. Someone better-versed in H&R firearms than me (of which there are many
) will no doubt come along to give you some better information.
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iamtheone115
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I read if it doesn't show the Cal. Then it was pre 1905 know if there is truth to this?
iamtheone115
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Ya that's not an ejector it pushes in and brings the center of the cylinder out but I can't get the cylinder off after the rods out to get the serial number.
That rod is an extractor/ejector. That is the first H&R break top revolver, called the "shell extracting" model. The bottom frame is essentially that of The American Double Action solid frame revolver. About 6000 were made 1886-1888. That type of ejection was used because the revolver was made for the .38 H&R Long, and H&R had not yet come up with a way to cam an auto ejector for the longer cartridge.
The .32 H&R Long was identical to the .32 Merwin & Hulbert and a tad shorter than the later .32 S&W Long. (M&H had developed their own cartridge line because of the way their revolvers operated, and apparently H&R adopted it as being more powerful than the .32 S&W.)
Jim
The .32 H&R Long was identical to the .32 Merwin & Hulbert and a tad shorter than the later .32 S&W Long. (M&H had developed their own cartridge line because of the way their revolvers operated, and apparently H&R adopted it as being more powerful than the .32 S&W.)
Jim
iamtheone115
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Thanks Jim any idea where to find disassembly instructions and any other info would be awesome thanks again.
Unlike most H&R models, those are pretty scarce and I have seen very little published on them. I have only seen a couple and don't recall anything special about them The lockwork is about the same as the American, which means it is pretty simple, but given to problems especially breakage of the flat springs.
As for removing the cylinder, try opening the gun, then pulling back/up on the cylinder while turning it counterclockwise (reverse of the normal direction)?
Jim
As for removing the cylinder, try opening the gun, then pulling back/up on the cylinder while turning it counterclockwise (reverse of the normal direction)?
Jim
iamtheone115
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The cylinder spins freely both ways and it was made this way for some reason from what I read
Magnum Wheel Man
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I've got a couple of those in my collection, one in 32, one in 38...
the hand eject is much, much more rare than the auto ejects...
backwards spinning of the cylinder to remove was an Iver Johnson & copys feature ( I have a "secret service special" that removes the same way )... it's been a while since I had mine apart... may have to look at the book, if someone doesn't come on & give the OP in the info needed...
I've heard the hand eject was more popular with those that shot their guns alot, as it provided a longer stroke, & more positive extraction, with less chance of trapping an unejected case under the automatic extractor star...
if I remember correctly, the extractor has to come out before removing the cylinder, but I'm not positive without consulting my book 1st...
is there a screw driver slot on the front of the ejector rod ???
the hand eject is much, much more rare than the auto ejects...
backwards spinning of the cylinder to remove was an Iver Johnson & copys feature ( I have a "secret service special" that removes the same way )... it's been a while since I had mine apart... may have to look at the book, if someone doesn't come on & give the OP in the info needed...
I've heard the hand eject was more popular with those that shot their guns alot, as it provided a longer stroke, & more positive extraction, with less chance of trapping an unejected case under the automatic extractor star...
if I remember correctly, the extractor has to come out before removing the cylinder, but I'm not positive without consulting my book 1st...
is there a screw driver slot on the front of the ejector rod ???
iamtheone115
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yes ive got the extractor out then im stuck but i think this gun may be damaged the extractor takes alot of force to push in i had to push it in with the screwdriver handle...