HELP HELP HELP!

Need your help, everyone!

I am currently engaged in a rather tense e-mail debate with a columnist for The Washington (Com)Post regarding gun control and NRA.

He believes that NRA is paranoid, that no one is out to take anyone's guns. He stated that "No one has ever publically called for confiscation."

I slammed him with a number of examples of this on a state level, and the actual confiscations of firearms in New York and California, but I need to find verifiable quotes from federal elected or appointed officials who have called for confiscation.

Does anyone know of any that are verifiable? Does anyone have access to Lexis-Nexis who can do a search for me?

I'm not having a lot of success on the Web.

Help! I need to send this liberal puke's brain into spasm!
 
No source, but others probably have it.

Klinton himself, in an interview with Rolling Stone Magazine, during the beginning of his first term, said that when the time was right that they would ban all handguns.

That's not the exact quote, but it is very close.

Good luck,
Joe

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Sending e-mails to Congress is almost useless.

They hardly ever get read.

Since most members of Congress are clueless;

Send handwritten letters instead!!!


Second Amendment Activist's Forum
 
here's a couple quotes for you

"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
- Sarah Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control, Inc., to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, [the
National Educator, January, 1994, page 3].

Gun registration is not enough."
- Attorney-General Janet Reno, December 10th, 1993 [Associated Press]

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of firearms is the goal."
- Janet Reno, December 10th, 1993 [Associated Press]


did you challenge your columnist buddy to come up with ANY example in the history of any country in the world where they had registration and it did NOT lead to confiscation?
 
I only have a question that you can ask your columnist::

Is he willing to bet his FREEDOM OF SPEECH on it?
 
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
of gun control: 56 million.

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, ask them

"Who do YOU want to round up and exterminate?"

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A little "dated" but;

“This is the first step” – U.S. Representative Edward Feighan, referring to the Brady Bill (which he introduced) at recent House hearings. “We are going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessary – given the political realities – going to be very modest… So we’ll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf, but a slice. Our ultimate goal – total control of handguns in the United States – is going to take time… The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make possession of all handguns and handgun ammunition – except for military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors – totally illegal.” – Pete Shields, Chairman Emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., (interview appearing in The New Yorker, July 26, 1976)

“This is not all we will have in future Congresses, but this is a crack in the door. There are too many handguns in the hands of citizens. The right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with the Brady Bill.” – U.S. Representative Craig Washington, at the mark-up hearing on the Brady Bill, April 10, 1991.

“Handguns should be outlawed. Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not anxious to rouse the opposition before we get the other legislation passed.” – Elliot Corbett, Secretary, National Council For A Responsible Firearms Policy (interview appeared in the Washington Evening Star on September 19, 1969).

“It is our aim to ban the manufacture and sale of handguns to private individuals… the coalition’s emphasis is to keep handguns out of private possession – where they do the most harm.” Recruiting flyer currently distributed by The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, formerly called The National Coalition to Ban Handguns.

“Yes, I’m for an outright ban (on handguns).” – Pete Shields, Chairman Emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., during a 60 Minutes interview.

“We are at the point in time and terror where nothing short of a strong uniform policy of domestic disarmament will alleviate the danger which is crystal clear and perilously present. Let us take the guns away from the people. Exemptions should be limited to the military, the police, and those licensed for good and sufficient reasons. And I would look forward to the day when it would not be necessary for the policeman to carry a sidearm.” – Patrick V. Murphy, former New York City Police Commissioner, and now a member of Handgun Control’s National Committee, during testimony to the National Association of Citizens Crime Commissions.

“My experience as a street cop suggests that most merchants should not have guns. But I feel even stronger about the average person having them… most homeowners… simply have no need to own guns.” – Joseph McNamara, HCI spokesman, and former Chief of Police of San Jose, California.

“I don’t want to go for confiscation, but that is where we are going.” – Daryl Gates, Police Chief of Los Angeles, California.

“There may be other things that will happen later… It may not be the end… the bottom line is what we are seeking now is the Brady Bill.” – U.S. Representative Charles Schumer, interviewed on CNN Crossfire.

“The Brady Bill is the minimum step Congress should take… we need much stricter gun control, and eventually should bar the ownership of handguns, except in a few cases.” - U.S. Representative William Clay, quoted in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on May 6, 1991.

“It’s only the first step, it’s not going to be enough… we’ve got to go beyond that, and I hope we’ll do it this session of Congress.” - U.S. Representative Edward Feighan during an interview on ABC News Nightline.

Hope this helps a little. :(

Skyhawk
 
deguello, the Sarah Brady quote is bogus. Please don't spread it any more. This sort of thing, like the fake Hitler quote about gun registration, makes us look foolish every time it's repeated. The national socialists say enough verifiable evil things that we don't need to use spurious ones.
 
4V50 Gary is right. Feinstein appeared on "60 Minutes" and said that if she could get the votes to confiscate all guns, she would do so.
 
The Second Amendment Foundation has a section devoted to quotes of all kinds, bogus and otherwuse. Here is a link to it...


http://www.saf.org/quotessaf.html


I haven't found the sources for the Klinton or Feinswine quotes yet. I'm almost sure that they are on an NRA-ILA fact sheet. I will post them here in a bit after I find it.

Joe

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Sending e-mails to Congress is almost useless.

They hardly ever get read.

Since most members of Congress are clueless;

Send handwritten letters instead!!!


Second Amendment Activist's Forum
 
Mike,

Don't forget to mention to the twit, that they are confiscating SKS rifles with detachable magazines in California right now.

I haven't found what I said I was looking for, but this is a VERY good fact sheet that you need to see...

The War Against Handguns

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Other activists make no attempt to conceal their desire to outlaw handguns altogether. On Jan. 20, 1999, VPC advocated subjecting firearms to consumer product regulations to be enforced by BATF and said, "we believe that ultimately handguns would be phased out through such an agency."39 VPC opposes even the voluntary use of "trigger locks," believing such devices might encourage handgun ownership. Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.) has introduced legislation to outlaw handguns.

The late Marvin Wolfgang, once the most prominent anti-gun criminologist in America, wrote in 1995 that, if possible, he would "eliminate all guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police."40 U.S. Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy, while expressing support for legislation to impose a mandatory waiting period on all retail and private firearm transfers, said he favors an outright ban on handguns, but doubts that Americans would support such a measure.41 The founder of the HELP (Handgun Epidemic Lowering Plan) network, a group composed largely of anti-gun activists in the public health field, stated that the group's purpose is to "work toward changing society's attitude toward guns so that it becomes socially unacceptable for private citizens to have handguns."42[/quote]

Joe



[This message has been edited by nralife (edited May 15, 2000).]
 
From Skyhawk’s post:
(quote)
“The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being
produced and sold in this country.” Pete Shields, Chairman Emeritus,
Handgun Control, Inc....
(unquote)
Makes me think of Colt and S&W....

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in, I would have done it.--
Dianne Feinstein, United States Senator

Anti-Firearm

The strongest gun legislation... I will enforce diligently and exhaustively.
Louis Freeh, Director of the FBI Benjamin Franklin
U.S. Senate Confirmation Hearings, 1993

Gun registration is not enough.
Janet Reno, Attorney-General
Associated Press, December 10th, 1993

I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns.
Howard Metzenbaum, United States Senator (D-Ohio)
1994

Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.
Heinrich Himmler, Head of the Gestapo
1935

All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately...The SS, SA and Stahlhelm give every responsible opportunity of campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the above-named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his weapon...must be regarded as an enemy of the national government.
SA Oberfuhrer of Bad Tolz
March, 1933

Our ultimate goal--total control of handguns in the United States--is going to take time ... The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered, and the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns, and all handgun ammunition totally illegal.
Nelson T Shields, Founding Chair of HCI Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Founding Chair of HCI

The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, bows, spears, firearms or other types of arms. The possession of these elements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues, and tends to permit uprising.
Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Shogun of Japan.
Shogun of Japan, August 29, 1558

Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.
Joseph Biden, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee
Then-chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, November 18, 1993

Handguns are a public health issue.
Jocelyn Elders, U.S. Surgeon General
In USA Today, November 9, 1993

Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.
Dianne Feinstein, United States Senator
Quoted by Associated Press, November 18, 1993

We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true! ... We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy. We're going to beat guns into submission!
Charles Schumer, United States Congressman
On NBC Nightly News, November 30, 1993

I'm personally all for taxing guns to pay for health care coverage.
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Quoted by the New York Times, November 4, 1993

There is no reason for anyone in this country -- anyone except a police officer or a military person -- to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun ... The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to change the Constitution.
Michael Gartner, President of NBC News
President of NBC News, in USA Today, January 16, 1992

If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in, I would have done it.
Dianne Feinstein, United States Senator

No one needs an automatic weapon except cowards and criminals and weirdoes who have to own one to feel like a man.
John Bryant, United States Congressman
Arguing for banning semi-automatic rifles, 1991

The mere possession of a gun is, in itself, an urge to kill, not only by design, but by accident, by madness, by fright, by bravado.
Chicago Daily News
1967

No private citizen has any reason or need at any time to possess a gun. This applies to both honest citizens and criminals. We realize the Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms but this should be changed.
Detroit Daily Press
1968

I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state.
Michael Dukakis, Governor of Massachussetts
1986

Data on [assault weapon] risks are not needed because they have no redeeming social value.
Jerome Kassirer
M.D., In New England Journal of Medicine, 1992

No, we're not looking at how to control criminals...we're talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns.
Howard Metzenbaum, United States Senator (D-Ohio)
1989

The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business.
New York Times
1975

We believe that if any gun dealer, manufacturer, or gun owners wants to test the law in court, they should be given every opportunity. Arrest them. Put the burden on them to prove the law is too vague.
Louis Tolley, Handgun Control Inc.
On HCI's position concerning the Roberti-Roos assault weapons ban, 1991

Whatever right the Second Amendment protects is not as important as it was 200 years ago....[The government should] deconstitutionalize the subject by repealing the embarrasing Amendment.
George Will
1991

No one should have any illusions about what was accomplished. Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control.
Washington Post
Immediately after passage of Clinton's Crime Bill, 1994

It is our sworn duty to uphold the law. It is also our moral obligation -- an obligation to the children and families and law-abiding citizens of our country -- an obligation to stop the terrible scourge of gun violence. As parents, we teach our children every day to distinguish right from wrong. As a nation, too, we must remember where to draw the line. Today, we are drawing it clearly and indelibly.
William J. Clinton, President
April 6, 1998

The tree of liberty only grows when watered by the blood of tyrants.
Bertrand Barère
Speech in the Convention Nationale, 1792

Assault weapons... are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons -- anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun -- can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.
Josh Sugarmann, Comm. Director, Coalition Against Gun Violence
Assault Weapons: Analysis, New Research and Legislation, March 1989

Until we can ban all of them [firearms], then we might as well ban none.
Howard Metzenbaum, United States Senator (D-Ohio)
Senate Hearings, 1993

With a 10,000% tax we could tax them [guns] out of existence."
Daniel Patrick Moynihan, United States Senator
Quoted from the Washington Post, November 4, 1993

If it were up to me we'd ban them all.
Mel Reynolds, United States Representative
On CNN's Crossfire, December 9, 1993

We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. ...If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime."
Mary Ann Carlson, Vermont State Senator

For target shooting, that's okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that's why we have police departments.
James Brady, Husband of HCI Director Sarah Brady
PARADE Magazine, June 26, 1994

I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about. Is that it will happen one very small step at a time so that by the time, um, people have woken up, quote, to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the banning of semi-assault military weapons that are military weapons, not household weapons, is the first step.
Barbara Fass, Mayor of Stockton California

You know I don't believe in people owning guns, only the police and military. And I'm going to do everything I can to disarm this state.
Michael Dukakis, Governor of Massachussetts
Conversation with Mike Yacino, MA Gun Owner's Action League, and Roy Innis, CORE., June 16, 1986

Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation.
Charles Krauthammer, Washington Post Columnist
April 6, 1996

In fact, only police, soldiers -- and, maybe, licensed target ranges -- should have handguns. No one else needs one.
Michael Gartner, President of NBC News
Quoted from the Wall Street Journal, January 10, 1991

You need the will to disarm the civilian population. If we can do it in Somalia, we can do it here.
Mary McGrory
Arizona Daily Star, page 16., March 11, 1993

As much as I oppose the average person's having a gun, I recognize that some people have a legitimate need to own one. A wealthy corporate executive who fears his family might get kidnapped is one such person. A Hollywood celebrity who has to protect himself from kooks is another. If Sharon Tate had had access to a gun during the Manson killings, some innocent lives might have been saved.
Joseph D. McNamara , San Jose, CA ex-Police Chief, and HCI spokesman
Safe and Sane, p. 71-72., 1984

Gun control has not worked in D.C. The only people who have guns are criminals. We have the strictest gun laws in the nation and one of the highest murder rates. It's quicker to pull your Smith & Wesson than to dial 911 if you're being robbed.
Lowell Duckett, Special Assistant to DC Police Chief
Quoted in The Washington Post., March 22, 1996

Now, if you want a more recent event, take a look at what they did in Waco, TX. Is that a defensible event? Scores of Americans were killed because of ineptitude by BATF acting under legal process, as they said, and that whole matter is going to be suppressed after scores of Americans have been killed because of the ineptitude and crass misbehavior of the BATF.
John D. Dingell, United States Representative
Congressional Record, Page H1382, February 8th, 1995

I don't care if you think it's your right. I say: Sorry, it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison.
Rosie O'Donnell, Talk Show Host and Kmart Spokesperson
Spoken during her talk show.
 
Twenty-five years ago, Nelson ``Pete'' Shields, the
founder of Handgun Control Inc., revealed his
strategy to New Yorker magazine. ``The first
problem is to slow down the number of handguns
being produced and sold in this country. The
second problem is to get handguns registered. The
final problem is to make possession of all handguns
and handgun ammunition
-- except for the military,
police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting
clubs and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal.''


The HCI handbook shows a plan by them (or used to) that their goal was to make mandatory registration for a small fee, then over the years raise that fee to such a high level that it was impossible for most people to pay.


"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them (guns), Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in, I would have done it."
Dianne Feinstein, United States Senator
This was on a 60 minutes interview that I saw with my own eyes. She was talking about he steps she is taking by passing laws like the full capacity magazine ban, wishing that she could just ban all guns, but she knows all she can do now is pass a few laws.




Rosie O'Donnel just said this two days ago!:

Quote from Rosie O'Donnel's interview on AOLive:

"Question: What would be your ideal vision for gun control?

Rosie O’Donnell: LICENSE AND REGISTER ALL FIREARMS. ALL. BAN
HANDGUNS TOTALLY
-- THEY ARE MADE FOR ONE REASON... TO KILL
PEOPLE."

You can get a full copy of the transcript here:
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=26811



Also, take a look at my signature line for yet another quote.

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When they speak of instituting "common sense gun control laws" keep this quote in mind:

"A `common-sense' approach to gun violence in America would be to ban handguns,"
- Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center, (Washington Post, March 2000)

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Ask him if he would be willing to REGISTER HIS COMPUTER with the federal governement and have all of his articles go through a background check and waiting period to make sure they hold only the true facts and that they harm no one. Ask him/her if s/he would agree to be licenses by the government to become a reporter.


Check out www.guntruths.com for more quotes and information
 
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