heizer defense .308 and 7.62 pocket pistols...

they make a 45-70 derringer though..that might be the king of pain...

I own one of those and it is truly painful. I did at one point load some 45 caliber round ball over trail boss that was not brutally painful. I have all so shot some of my subsonic (in a marlin) 550 grain loads that chronograph about 680 FPS from the derringer. Those are pretty bad. Factory Hornady Leverevolution left me with a bruise on the palm of my hand.

It dose how ever work well with 410 shotshells and they dont kick that bad.

I wish heizer defense would make one in 357 magnum. That should be a no brainer.
 
What we really need is a shoulder mounted naval gun. :o

It would be great for carry if they could get the weight down to about 200 lbs or so....
 
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