HEAVY TRIGGER ON BERETTA......ADVICE???

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scooter71

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I accidentally got Bore Scrubber solvent on the aluminum alloy frame and grip of my Italian Made Beretta 92FS Stainless. The solvent stripped the paint/finish from some areas, leaving the grip frame looking ugly.

So, I sent the aluminum grip/frame to Beretta to be refinished, and they sent me back a brand new Stainless colored grip/frame, explaining that since my Pistol was made in Italy, they cannot duplicate the Italian finish.

Now for the problem:

I remember a very nice double action, and especially single action trigger pull, which is now heavy as hell!!!

I don’t like it at all.

I assume they just threw an assembled lower in the box, and didn’t put my hammer and parts into the new frame.

I can’t decide whether to call Beretta up and complain, or just live with it…….

Does anyone have any tips for improving the Beretta’s trigger pull??

Any ideas?

Any advice?

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The "fix" is as easy as ordering a new hammer spring from Wolff Gunsprings and installing it yourself.

You can find complete instructions on how to do this at the Beretta-L maillist wetsite,

http://greent.com/beretta

Where you can also find instructions on how to sign up for the maillist, which I think is one of the best on the whole net in terms of specific firearms lists. It's rigorously moderated to keep out the jerks, and the information is boundless.

Ken Strayhorn
Hillsborough NC
 
Scooter71, Ken -- I don't want to sound flame-like at all, but there are a couple of important cautions on swapping springs.

First, using a lower # mainspring can cause light strikes and failures to fire. I have had this happen with replacement springs from Wolff. BTW, it's not their fault at all; in fact, they warn about this -- and I have had this happen. If you carry the pistol, consider this and test the new spring very carefully with your PDW ammo. Note that many primers today seem to be harder than they used to be.

Second, be aware that BUSA cautions armorers that changing these springs can lead to accelerated wear, in addition to faulty ignition. From notes from the BUSA armorer's class, posted on the site Ken mentioned:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"Don't muck around with the hammer spring to change trigger pull, or the recoil spring. The two are engineered to work in a precise way together. Too light a hammer spring (also called a "mainspring") can result in light primer hits; it also lessens the shock-absorber effect of the hammer and therefore can lead to accelerated wear of the frame. Using too heavy of a recoil spring can lead to ejection failures and other reliability problems.[/quote]

Basically, the mainspring acts as an additional brake on the slide (via the hammer) as it recoils, and using a lighter spring in effect reduces the force of the springs slowing the slide as it recoils.

BTW, I am sorry to hear about the damage; I've never used Bore Scrubber, but I'm surprised that it will de-anodize aluminum -- did the label warn about that?

Best of luck resolving your issues.
JNewell

[This message has been edited by JNewell (edited June 08, 2000).]
 
Yes, I suggest being persistent although of course courteous and sending the pistol back to Beretta. They should not have overlooked the heavy trigger, but in my experience they'll do a good-faith job of making it right when it's called to their attention. HTH.
 
I'd ask for the frame back. Italian SS guns are in the $600s now. SOMEBODY can do something with it. Just some lazy bastard who didn't want to make an effort. Italian Finish? My Ass. It's just a coating, and they have to use the same for US made guns. I'd even take an "American" re-finish.

I'm buying one of these, so I'll take the head's up.
 
Scooter71,

I had the same reaction when I first got my 92. I agree with everyone that says leave the hammer spring alone. The reasons ahve been articulated very well. So on to my two cents worth.

After about a two weeks of messing around with the Beretta, I started to complain my my local range owner. Who just happens to be a Beretta nut, by the way. He reached behind the counter and handed me a 9mm snap cap. He said, "Put this in the gun, and pull the trigger 100x everyday for ten days". I did this. And you know what, I got use to the heavy first pull.

Set a mark on a wall that you can aim at. Then load up a snap cap (make sure there is no live ammo in or near the pistol), and slow dry fire the gun, just like you are shooting at a bulls eye at 25 yards. Take your time, concentrate on the basics, breathing, sight alignment and trigger pull. You can start to speed up after a couple of days. Remember, you are not trying to learn how to shoot fast, you are conditioning your hand. Give it try.



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Joe Portale
Tucson, Arizona Territory

"Those who turn their swords into plow shears,
end up plowing the fields of those who didn't"
Thomas Jefferson
 
I have a Beretta 92G Elite and I use a Wolff 1911 mainspring (19lb) for a really nice trigger pull along with the new Wolff INS trigger spring, If you lower your hammer spring weight its advisable to increase your recoil spring weight since the slide will come back with more force because the hammer is easier for it to cock on its rearward travel (I use a 14lb spring right now, but will soon try a 15lb).
If you don't want to go that light of a trigger order a Genuine Beretta 92D hammer spring.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If you don't want to go that light of a trigger order a Genuine Beretta 92D hammer spring.[/quote]

This is going to sound contrary to my rant (wasn't meant to be a rant <g> ) up above. IIRC, Todd Green, who's thick with the Beretta folks and working there now -- and therefore presumably has access to the info from the horse's mouth -- is using a Beretta Cougar mainspring in his DA/SA pistol (which happens to be an Elite G); I don't know what that translates to for # weight. The hammer on the G series is lighter weight, which I think means it actually needs a heavier spring to strike the primer with the same force as an F or D gun.

(So, ah, what's your point? <g> ) I guess I have two.

First, Beretta uses a lighter hammer spring in the DAO D pistols, and presumably thinks that whatever weight spring they're putting into the D guns is good enough for reliable ignition.

Second, if someone can get away with using a lighter spring in a G pistol, which has a lighter hammer, then maybe it really is OK to reduce the weight of the hammer spring some in a D or F series Beretta, which has a heavier hammer. (IIRC, however, Todd Green said he was changing hammer springs in his Elite every 4k rounds or so, as a precaution against light primer hits.)

I do think Robb's right about the recoil spring being increased to compensate for the lighter hammer spring. I had a talk with Wolff about the Beretta recoil springs. Their advice, based on lengthy work with the INS on their pistols, was to use a 15# recoil spring -- they saw reduced wear, even on the heavier slide INS pistols, and no reliability problems ejecting or feeding rounds. I put one into my 96 and plan to try it this weekend.

I did a little poking around on the 'net this morning trying to find the spec for the D Berettas, and couldn't. The Wolff site says the factory standard (in FS/G pistols?) is 20#, and they make replacements in 1# increments from 16-19#s. I'll call Wolff on Monday and find out what the D hammer spring weight is.

[This message has been edited by JNewell (edited June 10, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by JNewell (edited June 10, 2000).]
 
IIRC, Todd Green, who's thick with the Beretta folks and working there now -- and therefore presumably has access to the info from the horse's mouth -- is using a Beretta Cougar mainspring in his DA/SA pistol (which happens to be an Elite G); I don't know what that translates to for # weight.
The hammer on the G series is lighter weight, which I think means it actually needs a heavier spring to strike the primer with the same force as an F or D gun.

I know Todd and have shot with him I haven't seen him since he stopped working at the NRA Range. Tim Bacus the PistolSmith that made the 9mm barrel into a .357 SIG for Todd recommended the 19lb 1911 spring to me. I can't tell the diffence between the pull weights of it and an 'Cougar' 8000F Beretta spring. The 8000F spring is a much lighter gauge wire than the 1911 spring so theoretically the 1911 19lb spring should last longer if not the life of the pistol. The Wolff hammer springs designed for the Beretta 92 are quite a bit longer than the 1911 springs and give a nice SA pull but the DA is still too heavy for my taste. I've also polished the contact areas of the trigger bar, hammer and sear with a felt tipped Dremel. I have a very smooth 3.5-4lb SA pull and about a 7.5-8lb DA pull.
Robb
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