I have an angle eject model 94 Winchester I am planning to mount a Leupold Ultralight 2.5x20 Scope on. I havent ordered the Scope yet but cant decide between Heavy Duplex and Wide Duplex. The Rifle will be used for Hunting by me and my family, or Guest. Can anyone shed some light on the Pros and Cons of each Reticle ?
Heavy Duplex vs Wide Duplex 30 30 Help ?
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Art Eatman
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I've been quite happy with standard duplex scopes since I first discovered them some forty-plus years ago. 
Wide Duplex
Heavy Duplex
While I could use either, IMO the somewhat thinner Wide Duplex might be better for open field or longer range shots (Senderos ? ).
BTW - IDK where you plan on ordering your Leupy, but one of the least expensive sources I've found is www.swfa.com - good folks to deal with, AND they also carry factory refurbs & used scopes, besides new stock.
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Heavy Duplex
While I could use either, IMO the somewhat thinner Wide Duplex might be better for open field or longer range shots (Senderos ? ).
BTW - IDK where you plan on ordering your Leupy, but one of the least expensive sources I've found is www.swfa.com - good folks to deal with, AND they also carry factory refurbs & used scopes, besides new stock.
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The standard duplex has always been fine for me, also. My .35 remington does have a post reticle, but that rifle was only used for short range, brush hunting.
I like your idea of a fixed power scope. They are usually simpler, more reliable, and more compact. However, in this case, maybe you want to consider a variable. Leupold makes their VX2, 1-4 x20mm with a standard duplex.
I like your idea of a fixed power scope. They are usually simpler, more reliable, and more compact. However, in this case, maybe you want to consider a variable. Leupold makes their VX2, 1-4 x20mm with a standard duplex.
hammie
Thanks, I thought about the variable, but didnt want to have to move the scope back further in the Rings. I believe I will get the Wide Duplex it looks a little more precise than the heavy does. When I do this I will post a picture, this Rifle is the most accurate 30 30 I have ever shot I think the small scope could bring out the best of it. Petah W thanks for the illustrations and the link, it helped me make up my mind. Also thanks to Art Eatman too for posting. Good job Fellows.
Thanks, I thought about the variable, but didnt want to have to move the scope back further in the Rings. I believe I will get the Wide Duplex it looks a little more precise than the heavy does. When I do this I will post a picture, this Rifle is the most accurate 30 30 I have ever shot I think the small scope could bring out the best of it. Petah W thanks for the illustrations and the link, it helped me make up my mind. Also thanks to Art Eatman too for posting. Good job Fellows.
Thanks Hammie The reason I opted out of the variable scope is due to the mount I plan to use. I am going to mount the scope in low rings on a two piece Loupold dove tail Base. I think it will be an awesome and rugged set up. The variable would work well on a Weaver Rail but with the mount I plan to use the power ring on the variable Scope would take up about an inch of Ring space. Anyhow thanks, and Your right the thinking it out is alot of fun. Good Shooting my Friend.
I've always been a fan of duplex.When I got my 45-70 ,to be used within 100 yds, I found the heavy duplex too heavy !! The lines covered 3" at 100 yds !! This for a gun accurate to 1" or better at 100 yds !! I've often found that I use the scope to find a hole in the brush to get the deer. The standard duplex lines covered 1" , much better.
"Brush busting cartridges" are a myth !!!Any bullet can be deflected and that in my experience includes 6.5x55, 44mag and 45-70 !
"Brush busting cartridges" are a myth !!!Any bullet can be deflected and that in my experience includes 6.5x55, 44mag and 45-70 !
Boomer58cal
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Yep, I scoped my 100th anniversary and never looked back. The lever action was the "assault rifle" of it's day. With a scope the 94 is a truly deadly weapon.
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bamaranger
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visibility
You will see the heavy duplex in bad light and brush a bit easier than the its wide cousin. A 30-30 lever, though suitably accurate for most purposes, is not a precision tool and does not need a crosshair that is more precise. A reticle that is highly visible under all conditions at its effective ranges is all a M94 requires. Heck, with young eyes, a good rugged aperature would suffice, and did for years for many folks. I used to claim "no scopes on lever carbines" but do not anymore, as the eyes are not what they were.
But I maintain you do not need much scope on a M94 and you are on the right path with the 2.5x.
You will see the heavy duplex in bad light and brush a bit easier than the its wide cousin. A 30-30 lever, though suitably accurate for most purposes, is not a precision tool and does not need a crosshair that is more precise. A reticle that is highly visible under all conditions at its effective ranges is all a M94 requires. Heck, with young eyes, a good rugged aperature would suffice, and did for years for many folks. I used to claim "no scopes on lever carbines" but do not anymore, as the eyes are not what they were.
But I maintain you do not need much scope on a M94 and you are on the right path with the 2.5x.
BamaRanger
In my younger days I hunted with this Rifle iron sighted and did quite well, but now with bi focals a scope would really help. Its tough getting old. I enjoy iron sights for target work, but dont hunt with them unless its very short range like Hog hunting with bay dogs.
In my younger days I hunted with this Rifle iron sighted and did quite well, but now with bi focals a scope would really help. Its tough getting old. I enjoy iron sights for target work, but dont hunt with them unless its very short range like Hog hunting with bay dogs.
To the OP--Did you consider a Red Dot? The look wouldnt be great for your lever, but the function would be great. Especially with a open halo type.
Someone mentioned a 30-30 as not exactly a precision weapon. My marlin will put a full tube in a black C at 100 or less. That pretty precise IMO.
Someone mentioned a 30-30 as not exactly a precision weapon. My marlin will put a full tube in a black C at 100 or less. That pretty precise IMO.
I admit to a rabbit trail
I just can't get around a scope on a lever. My thumb belongs on the top of the receiver when carrying. When I discovered Skinner Sights for Marlins and Ghost Rings for Win 94, I haven't looked back. I can also use them without my glasses quite nicely.
I just can't get around a scope on a lever. My thumb belongs on the top of the receiver when carrying. When I discovered Skinner Sights for Marlins and Ghost Rings for Win 94, I haven't looked back. I can also use them without my glasses quite nicely.
GEAXTIDE
Without my glasses I cant see the front sight, with my glasses its difficult to see the rear sight. I cant legaly drive without corrective lenses, so a scope is a big help when I am trying to make a clean shot on a Deer. Paper dosent suffer so I dont mind shooting irons at a target.
Without my glasses I cant see the front sight, with my glasses its difficult to see the rear sight. I cant legaly drive without corrective lenses, so a scope is a big help when I am trying to make a clean shot on a Deer. Paper dosent suffer so I dont mind shooting irons at a target.